Hacker C50 14XL vs. 13 XL, which is best?
12-18-2006, 01:31 PM
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Hacker C50 14XL vs. 13 XL, which is best?
I'm looking for another electric motor for my plane #2. My plane #1 already has a Hacker C50 14XL competition motor, and works perfectly, but I wonder if a 13XL is better to this one. In which conditions a 13XL is preferred over a 14XL? 
12-18-2006, 01:41 PM
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RE: Hacker C50 14XL vs. 13 XL, which is best?
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They both work well - I've flown both in the same airplane and looked at performance on a test bench with various props. There isn't a huge amount of difference, the 13 turns a few more RPM and draws a few more amps. The most noticeable differnce in flight is quicker acceleration. Probably a little more speed available also.
The 20C batteries now available will make a larger difference than changing motors, the 14 Comp / 20C combination has excellent performance and feels stronger than the 13 with std batts - haven't flown the 13 Comp / 20C combination but expect super accel.
They both work well - I've flown both in the same airplane and looked at performance on a test bench with various props. There isn't a huge amount of difference, the 13 turns a few more RPM and draws a few more amps. The most noticeable differnce in flight is quicker acceleration. Probably a little more speed available also.
The 20C batteries now available will make a larger difference than changing motors, the 14 Comp / 20C combination has excellent performance and feels stronger than the 13 with std batts - haven't flown the 13 Comp / 20C combination but expect super accel.
12-18-2006, 03:55 PM
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RE: Hacker C50 14XL vs. 13 XL, which is best?
Earl:
What kind of battery consumption are you getting with the 20c set up; say on the F sequence in wind?
Mike
What kind of battery consumption are you getting with the 20c set up; say on the F sequence in wind?
Mike
12-18-2006, 07:01 PM
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The F07 flights at Crowley (you were there) were 2800 & 3000 (typically 2700 - 2800 with reg packs). If you fly the same as with 10-15C packs the consumption will be the same. Very easy to over do it though - the first few times I flew them P07 flights were 4000 where typically they average 3400. Nice to know the extra power / speed is there if you need it.
The F07 flights at Crowley (you were there) were 2800 & 3000 (typically 2700 - 2800 with reg packs). If you fly the same as with 10-15C packs the consumption will be the same. Very easy to over do it though - the first few times I flew them P07 flights were 4000 where typically they average 3400. Nice to know the extra power / speed is there if you need it.
12-27-2006, 05:40 PM
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RE: Hacker C50 14XL vs. 13 XL, which is best?
Xavier,
I liked very much this picture, it's a really good club of aeromodelling no?...[X(]
I have these engines and works very well but I prefere 14XL for the durability of my batteries.
This plane is " milenio "???
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I liked very much this picture, it's a really good club of aeromodelling no?...[X(]
I have these engines and works very well but I prefere 14XL for the durability of my batteries.
This plane is " milenio "???
Regards
12-27-2006, 07:27 PM
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RE: Hacker C50 14XL vs. 13 XL, which is best?
Thanks Earl, that's very good information. I just have one question, if nothing else is changed and the motor delivers more power that means these new batteries have less internal resistance. That's the only way that with the same circuit and same voltage you can get more current. Is that correct?
12-27-2006, 07:33 PM
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RE: Hacker C50 14XL vs. 13 XL, which is best?
Hi Rombaut, thanks, yes that's a picture of me landing my Milenio. These is one of our flying sites its about 9000 feet of altitude, our is Club de Aeromodelismo Quito. Did you go to Ireland 2001? I think we met there.
12-27-2006, 08:01 PM
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Thanks Earl, that's very good information. I just have one question, if nothing else is changed and the motor delivers more power that means these new batteries have less internal resistance. That's the only way that with the same circuit and same voltage you can get more current. Is that correct?
Thanks Earl, that's very good information. I just have one question, if nothing else is changed and the motor delivers more power that means these new batteries have less internal resistance. That's the only way that with the same circuit and same voltage you can get more current. Is that correct?
Jim
12-28-2006, 03:14 PM
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Yes, we met in Ireland, in this WC I was a suporter of my father ( cris rombaut ), at now I participate in WC France and EC in Swiss and I wait for see yours in Argentina with electrics like our. This year is really good the situation for you eh
Bueno, saludos para el equipo de Ecuador!!! suerte con el electrico...
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Bueno, saludos para el equipo de Ecuador!!! suerte con el electrico...
regards
Joan Rombaut
12-28-2006, 03:47 PM
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Xavier
Correct - the 20C batts have significantly less internal resistance. Jim's description says it well. For a given current the voltage will be higher or for a given voltage more current will be delivered - either way you look at it more watts are available.
Correct - the 20C batts have significantly less internal resistance. Jim's description says it well. For a given current the voltage will be higher or for a given voltage more current will be delivered - either way you look at it more watts are available.
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RE: Hacker C50 14XL vs. 13 XL, which is best?
Hi Joan, well the situation is a little better for us, but it's still as far as Europe from here. For you Argentina is really far right? Muchas gracias por el saludo aunque acá todavÃ*a estamos en la eliminatoria y el equipo no está definido todavÃ*a. EnvÃ*ales muchos saludos al equipo de España, ya esta definido? Quienes van?
02-03-2007, 06:05 PM
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RE: Hacker C50 14XL vs. 13 XL, which is best?
Hola Xavier,
Yes, in Spain we do a diferent sistem, to Argentina we will go Javier Castaño, Jonathan Girabel and me. My father, this year, as it's in Argentina will not participate. It's really work to take 4 airplanes to Argentina.
When we know the Ecuador Team???
Mucha suerte para la seleccion, haber si hay suerte y nos vemos en Argentina!.
Regardas
Joan.
Yes, in Spain we do a diferent sistem, to Argentina we will go Javier Castaño, Jonathan Girabel and me. My father, this year, as it's in Argentina will not participate. It's really work to take 4 airplanes to Argentina.
When we know the Ecuador Team???
Mucha suerte para la seleccion, haber si hay suerte y nos vemos en Argentina!.
Regardas
Joan.
02-03-2007, 08:54 PM
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RE: Hacker C50 14XL vs. 13 XL, which is best?
Joan
Soy Pablo Kuri piloto de F3A en Ecuador, con Xavier parece que vamos a la Argentina este año, ya que estamos practicamente dentro de los tres primeros en nuestra seleccion.
Podras ver los resultados en nuestra pagina web aeromodelismoecuador.com
Nosotros vamos a tener en marzo nuestra quinta fecha del selectivo de un total de seis fechas. Asi que te estaremos contando como vamos por aqui.
Isacc Pratt no se va a la Argentina este año?
Estamos en contacto
Pablo Kuri
Soy Pablo Kuri piloto de F3A en Ecuador, con Xavier parece que vamos a la Argentina este año, ya que estamos practicamente dentro de los tres primeros en nuestra seleccion.
Podras ver los resultados en nuestra pagina web aeromodelismoecuador.com
Nosotros vamos a tener en marzo nuestra quinta fecha del selectivo de un total de seis fechas. Asi que te estaremos contando como vamos por aqui.
Isacc Pratt no se va a la Argentina este año?
Estamos en contacto
Pablo Kuri
02-04-2007, 02:11 PM
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Hola Pablo el equipo oficial español estara formado por Issac Pract, Juan Rombaut y Javier Castaños, estos tres pilotos fueron los primeros en las clasificaciones de las competiciones del año 2006, como primer reserva Cris Rombaut (padre de Juan)
Saludos
Saludos
02-04-2007, 05:24 PM
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Hola a todos.
Gracias Pablo Kuri por la informacion, una pagina muy completa. Suerte a ti y a Xavier, os espero ver por ahi. Sobre Isaac Prat, y respondiendo a Doblerizo(q estas en todos los foros jej), por desgracia renuncia a ir por motivos personales, asi pues, ya que mi padre no participara, el segundo reserva que es Jonathan estara presente en el WC de Argentina. Es una lastima, pero los tres lo trataremos de hacer lo mejor posible y pasarnoslo muy bien.
Que tal Xavier el electrico, todo bien?
Y Pablo, tambien iras con electrico?
Saludos, y espero que Rc Unvierse no se enfade por hablar en Castellano....
Juan
Gracias Pablo Kuri por la informacion, una pagina muy completa. Suerte a ti y a Xavier, os espero ver por ahi. Sobre Isaac Prat, y respondiendo a Doblerizo(q estas en todos los foros jej), por desgracia renuncia a ir por motivos personales, asi pues, ya que mi padre no participara, el segundo reserva que es Jonathan estara presente en el WC de Argentina. Es una lastima, pero los tres lo trataremos de hacer lo mejor posible y pasarnoslo muy bien.
Que tal Xavier el electrico, todo bien?
Y Pablo, tambien iras con electrico?
Saludos, y espero que Rc Unvierse no se enfade por hablar en Castellano....
Juan
02-04-2007, 09:24 PM
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RE: Hacker C50 14XL vs. 13 XL, which is best?
Juan:
Te cuento que yo estoy volando un Oxalys con un YS 160
Este Oxalys es construido con madera de balsa, el mismo pesa sin combustible 4430 gramos con ala plug in. Como nosotros volamos a casi 2800 metros sobre nivel del mar es indispensable tener aviones muy livianos.
Estamos en contacto
Pablo Kuri
Te cuento que yo estoy volando un Oxalys con un YS 160
Este Oxalys es construido con madera de balsa, el mismo pesa sin combustible 4430 gramos con ala plug in. Como nosotros volamos a casi 2800 metros sobre nivel del mar es indispensable tener aviones muy livianos.
Estamos en contacto
Pablo Kuri
02-04-2007, 10:26 PM
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Hola Juan, estoy seguro que harán muy buen papel Uds , de Isaac me acuerdo en Irlanda también y es una pena que no pueda ir. Nosotros seguimos preparándonos muy fuerte y como Pablo te cuenta estamos entre los tres primeros (bueno el primero y yo tercero 
) asÃ* que si todo sigue asÃ* y no tenemos contratiempos nos podremos ver en Argentina. Este fin de semana probé mi segundo milenio eléctrico, también con Hacker 14XL. Tal como el primero funcionó sin problemas, ahora solo tengo que calibrarlo pues este también fue convertido desde combustión (OS 140). Tengo una pregunta para tÃ*, cual es tu consumo tÃ*pico de mAh en un patrón P07 sin maniobras adicionales? Quiero saber esto porque seguramente cuando vaya a nivel del mar el consumo será mayor y tal vez tenga que usar otras pilas.
, de Isaac me acuerdo en Irlanda también y es una pena que no pueda ir. Nosotros seguimos preparándonos muy fuerte y como Pablo te cuenta estamos entre los tres primeros (bueno el primero y yo tercero ) asÃ* que si todo sigue asÃ* y no tenemos contratiempos nos podremos ver en Argentina. Este fin de semana probé mi segundo milenio eléctrico, también con Hacker 14XL. Tal como el primero funcionó sin problemas, ahora solo tengo que calibrarlo pues este también fue convertido desde combustión (OS 140). Tengo una pregunta para tÃ*, cual es tu consumo tÃ*pico de mAh en un patrón P07 sin maniobras adicionales? Quiero saber esto porque seguramente cuando vaya a nivel del mar el consumo será mayor y tal vez tenga que usar otras pilas.
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RE: Hacker C50 14XL vs. 13 XL, which is best?
Hola Xavier,
Normalmente, con las baterias TP 5300 si hago una P07 consumo entre 3100 y 3500 mAh con dias calmados y de viento. Ahora tengo que probar las nuevas TP5000 ya te dire que tal funcionan y lo que consumo con una P07. La helice que utilizamos es la 22 x 12 APC. Cuanto consumen?, y que helice?
Pablo, muy bonito el Oxalys y con ese peso debe ir de maravilla.
Saludos
Juan
Normalmente, con las baterias TP 5300 si hago una P07 consumo entre 3100 y 3500 mAh con dias calmados y de viento. Ahora tengo que probar las nuevas TP5000 ya te dire que tal funcionan y lo que consumo con una P07. La helice que utilizamos es la 22 x 12 APC. Cuanto consumen?, y que helice?
Pablo, muy bonito el Oxalys y con ese peso debe ir de maravilla.
Saludos
Juan
