SYSSA 30CC GAS MADE IN USA
07-13-2010, 01:27 PM
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RE: SYSSA 30CC GAS MADE IN USA
ORIGINAL: Joystick TX
I looked up the numbers I had recorded on the Vess vs. Zinger. On the ground, I had a ''solid'' 300 RPM increase with the Vess. I guess the Zinger is not exactly a ''paint stick'' after all. Seemed like the ''braking effect'' on the Vess was much better; I did not notice a big increase in vertical performance because at that time I was not looking for it. With my sloth like reflexes, I may not be able to detect the subtle differences between the two props.
Some day when the winds are calm and I am bored with flying, I may test all three props to see if I can detect any major differences in flight. Yes, I will test them one at a time.
ORIGINAL: Joystick TX
I am only running a Vess 18x6 because that was the ''best'' general purpose prop, recommended by Todd for the SAP, at the time I got my engine. . . . . . . Anyway, the Vess worked a little better for me than the Zinger 18x6 plus I like the looks of it and the balance is right on.
I am only running a Vess 18x6 because that was the ''best'' general purpose prop, recommended by Todd for the SAP, at the time I got my engine. . . . . . . Anyway, the Vess worked a little better for me than the Zinger 18x6 plus I like the looks of it and the balance is right on.
Some day when the winds are calm and I am bored with flying, I may test all three props to see if I can detect any major differences in flight. Yes, I will test them one at a time.
07-13-2010, 01:39 PM
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RE: SYSSA 30CC GAS MADE IN USA
I switched from a Zinger to the same size Vess and noticed a LOT of performance increase. Xoar are very good too, and quieter than Vess. They are also made from denser wood that deforms less when tightening prop fasteners.
With Vess and Xoar the same price, or cheaper, than Zinger, I can't really see a reason to use Zinger any more. I hope my LHS starts carrying Xoars.
With Vess and Xoar the same price, or cheaper, than Zinger, I can't really see a reason to use Zinger any more. I hope my LHS starts carrying Xoars.
07-13-2010, 01:40 PM
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RE: SYSSA 30CC GAS MADE IN USA
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Just curious why sport fliers don't use APC. They produce very good sport props. The only downside is their higher weight
Just curious why sport fliers don't use APC. They produce very good sport props. The only downside is their higher weight
07-13-2010, 01:46 PM
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RE: SYSSA 30CC GAS MADE IN USA
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Just curious why sport fliers don't use APC. They produce very good sport props. The only downside is their higher weight
ORIGINAL: Joystick TX
I looked up the numbers I had recorded on the Vess vs. Zinger. On the ground, I had a ''solid'' 300 RPM increase with the Vess. I guess the Zinger is not exactly a ''paint stick'' after all. Seemed like the ''braking effect'' on the Vess was much better; I did not notice a big increase in vertical performance because at that time I was not looking for it. With my sloth like reflexes, I may not be able to detect the subtle differences between the two props.
Some day when the winds are calm and I am bored with flying, I may test all three props to see if I can detect any major differences in flight. Yes, I will test them one at a time.
ORIGINAL: Joystick TX
I am only running a Vess 18x6 because that was the ''best'' general purpose prop, recommended by Todd for the SAP, at the time I got my engine. . . . . . . Anyway, the Vess worked a little better for me than the Zinger 18x6 plus I like the looks of it and the balance is right on.
I am only running a Vess 18x6 because that was the ''best'' general purpose prop, recommended by Todd for the SAP, at the time I got my engine. . . . . . . Anyway, the Vess worked a little better for me than the Zinger 18x6 plus I like the looks of it and the balance is right on.
Some day when the winds are calm and I am bored with flying, I may test all three props to see if I can detect any major differences in flight. Yes, I will test them one at a time.
07-13-2010, 02:16 PM
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I have nothing against APC, I run them on some of my glow engines. I also run Master Airscrews. Some plane/engine combos seem to work better with different manuf. props.
I thought about getting the APC 18x6W for my E/P combo. Problem is, I am so happy with the Vess right now, I would hate to pay $20 to switch over and not be happy. At $4 a prop, I could play around a lot with different manuf's, pitches, etc., at $20+ a prop, I need to use the wait and see approach.
Someone needs to start a "rent-a-prop" business so we can try before we buy.
I thought about getting the APC 18x6W for my E/P combo. Problem is, I am so happy with the Vess right now, I would hate to pay $20 to switch over and not be happy. At $4 a prop, I could play around a lot with different manuf's, pitches, etc., at $20+ a prop, I need to use the wait and see approach.
Someone needs to start a "rent-a-prop" business so we can try before we buy.
07-13-2010, 02:17 PM
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I enjoy and use APC. 18x6w works great on the SYSSA. As a 3D "wannabee" though (Funtana/RCGF 26cc), I found that extra weight (over a wood prop) cumbersome, acting like a big flywheel when it comes to throttle response? If/when that's of no concern, I run APC (after carefull sanding of the edges/balancing).
07-13-2010, 02:27 PM
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<hr />Maybe if they was ''white'' instead of that ugly grey....and did not have such sharp edges. May you got to be carefull not to mess up the edge..........electric start only or a heavy leather glove is needed..............
<hr />Maybe if they was ''white'' instead of that ugly grey....and did not have such sharp edges. May you got to be carefull not to mess up the edge..........electric start only or a heavy leather glove is needed..............
Sharp TE is bad for your fingers if you hand crank as I do...I use a piece of 7/8" ID sili rubber tube to protect the cranky finger.. I hate starters; they scratch my polished spinners
APC props are easy to paint and balance and are extremely consistent dimensionally, blade to blade. Wood is nowhere close but wood allows easier mods. Both wood and APC need balancing almost always except APC is generally much closer in balance.
07-13-2010, 02:30 PM
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I enjoy and use APC. 18x6w works great on the SYSSA. As a 3D ''wannabee'' though (Funtana/RCGF 26cc), I found that extra weight (over a wood prop) cumbersome, acting like a big flywheel when it comes to throttle response? If/when that's of no concern, I run APC (after carefull sanding of the edges/balancing).
I enjoy and use APC. 18x6w works great on the SYSSA. As a 3D ''wannabee'' though (Funtana/RCGF 26cc), I found that extra weight (over a wood prop) cumbersome, acting like a big flywheel when it comes to throttle response? If/when that's of no concern, I run APC (after carefull sanding of the edges/balancing).
I see you have a Quadra powered Giant Super Sportster, that is what I have my engine on. I like to do "obstacle" take offs and landings. Take off roll right now is 8 to 12 feet from grass under clam wind conditions with vertical straight up almost out of sight. With a better prop I may be able to take off a couple of feet sooner and get out of sight quicker even though I have no idea why I feel the need to do that. I also thought about a pipe, but that may rip the plane apart.
07-14-2010, 11:10 AM
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I cant recall the last time I didnt use an apc but there are new options out there.I am trying xoar on my electrics and would love to try a vess as well and make my own conclusion.I had master airscrews for years but once I tried apc I never used a master again.I have a few zingers that I used on my 3w's.when you get up the ladder to bigger engines I prefer a wood prop.I just cant afford the composite mej's ..
07-14-2010, 11:15 AM
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Hi All,
A friend of mine gave me a quart of AMSOIL Dominator to try in my engine. Anyone have any experience with this oil and could comment on it? Is it OK to use in my Syssa?
Thanks
-Jeff
A friend of mine gave me a quart of AMSOIL Dominator to try in my engine. Anyone have any experience with this oil and could comment on it? Is it OK to use in my Syssa?
Thanks
-Jeff
07-14-2010, 01:32 PM
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All, To continue the discussion: Been using APCs for quite awhile. The 18x6w works well for me. Spools up nicely. Had the engine mounted in a QQS Yak for some time. Plenty of thrust (pullout). This Yak was recently disassembled into some small, bite sized pieces and only has good tail feathers if anyone needs them. Becareful which spinner that you use because some can be heavy enough to noticeably affect spool up. I use the GP 31/2" aluminum backed nylon. This is a good combo, comes in colors and is inexpensive. Of course nothing is as light as a carbon fiber type which, also, are heavy on the cash side. Here is the link:
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXEBF3&P=7 Also, while at Tower, do a search on "GP spinners" and take a look at some their repacement Aluminum spinners. The prices are good and you might find one that will suit your purposes. Be carefull which one that you choose. There some stout ones there.
Bob
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXEBF3&P=7 Also, while at Tower, do a search on "GP spinners" and take a look at some their repacement Aluminum spinners. The prices are good and you might find one that will suit your purposes. Be carefull which one that you choose. There some stout ones there.
Bob
07-14-2010, 02:33 PM
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All, To continue the discussion: Been using APCs for quite awhile. The 18x6w works well for me. Spools up nicely. Had the engine mounted in a QQS Yak for some time. Plenty of thrust (pullout). This Yak was recently disassembled into some small, bite sized pieces and only has good tail feathers if anyone needs them. Becareful which spinner that you use because some can be heavy enough to noticeably affect spool up. I use the GP 31/2'' aluminum backed nylon. This is a good combo, comes in colors and is inexpensive. Of course nothing is as light as a carbon fiber type which, also, are heavy on the cash side. Here is the link:
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXEBF3&P=7 Also, while at Tower, do a search on ''GP spinners'' and take a look at some their repacement Aluminum spinners. The prices are good and you might find one that will suit your purposes. Be carefull which one that you choose. There some stout ones there.
Bob
All, To continue the discussion: Been using APCs for quite awhile. The 18x6w works well for me. Spools up nicely. Had the engine mounted in a QQS Yak for some time. Plenty of thrust (pullout). This Yak was recently disassembled into some small, bite sized pieces and only has good tail feathers if anyone needs them. Becareful which spinner that you use because some can be heavy enough to noticeably affect spool up. I use the GP 31/2'' aluminum backed nylon. This is a good combo, comes in colors and is inexpensive. Of course nothing is as light as a carbon fiber type which, also, are heavy on the cash side. Here is the link:
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXEBF3&P=7 Also, while at Tower, do a search on ''GP spinners'' and take a look at some their repacement Aluminum spinners. The prices are good and you might find one that will suit your purposes. Be carefull which one that you choose. There some stout ones there.
Bob
The spinner was the one that came with my Giant Super Sportster. I balanced both the prop and the spinner so vibration was not an issue. Over torquing the bolt was also not an issue. The bolt broke about three threads from the prop nut. I now use spinners that don't use the single bolt in the center.
07-14-2010, 03:57 PM
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RE: SYSSA 30CC GAS MADE IN USA
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The only prop I broke on my engine was due to the GP Spinner bolt breaking. It was expensive, the spinner hit the prop and knocked out a big chunk, the spinner was badly dented, the prop vibration caused my pilot to bail out.
The spinner was the one that came with my Giant Super Sportster. I balanced both the prop and the spinner so vibration was not an issue. Over torquing the bolt was also not an issue. The bolt broke about three threads from the prop nut. I now use spinners that don't use the single bolt in the center.
The only prop I broke on my engine was due to the GP Spinner bolt breaking. It was expensive, the spinner hit the prop and knocked out a big chunk, the spinner was badly dented, the prop vibration caused my pilot to bail out.
The spinner was the one that came with my Giant Super Sportster. I balanced both the prop and the spinner so vibration was not an issue. Over torquing the bolt was also not an issue. The bolt broke about three threads from the prop nut. I now use spinners that don't use the single bolt in the center.
07-14-2010, 09:30 PM
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I have used all different spinners.my mustang had a nice tru turn then the prop tore it up ugh! I have used dace browns and they are nice kanghke has them and now GP.I just make sure to balance them.I hear all kinds of things happen to pilots in here and I must be dull as nothing like what I read about ever happens which I am thankful for.I did invest ina good prop balancer and tookthe time to learn how to really balance correctly from a friend who used to fly pylons.he set me straight!
07-15-2010, 06:54 AM
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I have used all different spinners.my mustang had a nice tru turn then the prop tore it up ugh! I have used dace browns and they are nice kanghke has them and now GP.I just make sure to balance them.I hear all kinds of things happen to pilots in here and I must be dull as nothing like what I read about ever happens which I am thankful for.I did invest ina good prop balancer and tookthe time to learn how to really balance correctly from a friend who used to fly pylons.he set me straight!
I have used all different spinners.my mustang had a nice tru turn then the prop tore it up ugh! I have used dace browns and they are nice kanghke has them and now GP.I just make sure to balance them.I hear all kinds of things happen to pilots in here and I must be dull as nothing like what I read about ever happens which I am thankful for.I did invest ina good prop balancer and tookthe time to learn how to really balance correctly from a friend who used to fly pylons.he set me straight!
07-15-2010, 08:18 AM
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steve I was referring to props only..lol.I still have a kaos in a tree along the nys thruway.I had a wing snap and just found the plane after one year!I reserved the alieron servoand took off and cranked it in .AND the worst was just last winter when I had 2 3dhobby planes totalled when my spectrum browned out needless to say I went back to good ol' futaba..but with props other than when my cub threw a prop directly into my left forearm I havent had any bad luck ,lol.!!
07-15-2010, 03:15 PM
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Okay, props only makes more sense. I was wondering how you escaped all the normal problems in this hobby. I was going to tell you to go buy a lottery ticket, you would be a shoo-in to win the power ball.
07-16-2010, 08:49 PM
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I just cut back my engine box to make everything easier to reach and operate. Is Todd still selling custom length standoffs? I looked on the website but couldn't tell. Is that the best way to go? I'd simply call, but it is late and they are closed. I thought I'd take a shot here real quick? FYI...I need 1.875" long standoffs now.Originals are 1.25".
07-16-2010, 09:47 PM
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Drop Todd an E-mail describing what you want. They usually get back pretty quick during the work day. You can pay on-line at their web site under the service-item and they ship within one businessday.
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