Parkzone NEW BRUSHLESS (YES!!!) P-51 Mustang RTF and BNF
The dimensions of the 1/16 inch thick balsa flaps are 1.5 inch wide and
Any chance of a close-up photo or two?
Cheers, Dave
The dimensions of the 1/16 inch thick balsa flaps are 1.5 inch wide and
Any chance of a close-up photo or two?
Cheers, Dave
Ah, yes, pictures - soon as I test the belly landing 109 with it's split aileron drag system that should work as well as the split flap system on the 51, I will try to get some useful shots as soon as practical using my "camcorder freeze" system.
Eventually, I will get up to speed with pictures and web technology. In the meantime the next url brings up an almost identical flap system that is used on my landing gear/flap 109. Please visualize three sections of 22 gage wire glued to the trailing edges of the extended radiator flap as the support holding the flap extended. The wires are curved under the flap and glued to the wing. 18 degrees deflection angle is what I ended up with on the 51 by carefully bending the three support wires.
http://community-2.webtv.net/RICHARD...ORY/page7.html
Hope this helps.
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Our weather is pretty darn good, with some days back to t-shirt and shorts temperature. But we do also get the cool, wet and sometimes stormy days. I was out yesterday morning with some of the guys, and it was too warm to wear a jumper once the sun was well up in the sky. This winter we've only lost three or four weekends model flying to bad weather. So, having moved here from Britain almost four years ago, I just love this country!
I've had a look at your web site and the pictures there, and they do give a good idea of what you're describing.
Where did you put the servo in the Gunfighter?
Cheers, Dave
The two elevator servos are located together near the trailing edge of the wing. The rudder servo is located in front of the "redundant safety elevator" independently acting elevators system.
I will still see about getting some pictures once some more testing is done.
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Finally got some pictures up without text on page 8 and 9 of CALL TO GLORY showing details discussed on the fighter threads including our PZ 51 thread that I hope will prove useful/inspirational. I couldn't resist sticking the proud pristine condition GUNFIGHTER in as "background" that might hinder the flaps detail on the War Weary 51 that was the main reason for installing the pictures in the first place.
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No one to blame but myself for trying this with a war bird. I'm slowly learning that this warbird is really only good for cool looking, low altitude fly-bys with the obligatory victory roll and loop thrown in and the end. She has a nasty habit of tip stalling in a slow speed, high alpha attitude.
Found out the mustang does not like high alpha flight. Was playing around about 50 feet up with slow, nose high flight, trying to make her harrier and she snapped over and went straight into the ground. Nothing I could do. Fortunately it was soft grass and damage is minimal.
No one to blame but myself for trying this with a war bird. I'm slowly learning that this warbird is really only good for cool looking, low altitude fly-bys with the obligatory victory roll and loop thrown in and the end. She has a nasty habit of tip stalling in a slow speed, high alpha attitude.
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You're never get rid of that wing drop tendency completely. However, if you add some more weight to the nose, you can dial some of that wing drop out of her. The extra weight will help to pull the nose down first and get some good air flowing over the flight surfaces quicker.
When you stall, you have to resist the urge to pull back on the elevator - that will only aggravate the stall. Neutralize your flight surfaces and apply power and opposite rudder. I know - It all sounds good on paper. The good thing about RC is you're not in the plane.... The bad thing about RC is you're not in the plane so you don't have the real-time tactile feel you have in full scale. With RC, before you SEE what's happening, it's already over.
I run the Park-480 in mine with a 2700mAh x 30c battery and actually had to put a 1/4-oz on the tail.
All this will help some...... but not much at 50-feet
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One of the things I enjoy most about our sport scale fighters is the emphasis on fun rather than on some kind of competitive standard. Usually after demonstrating all of the maneuvers I can fly it becomes spectators choice as to what maneuvers are flown next. And yes, rolls are usually among spectators choice. They also tend to request a dead stick dive bombing run from high altitude. The dive bombing attack is always performed after beginning a flight with a maximum performance climb to altitude - yes, victory rolls are always tacked on the end.
I found out today that I must reduce the deflection angles of my GUNFIGHTER'S adjustable fixed flaps in order to enjoy the speed needed to perform vertical maneuvers especially when running lower power batteries. Flap drag will be reduced to more or less equal the gliding speed of the new PZ Wildcat that inspired the flaps in the first place.
Having become somewhat addicted to the intrinsic excitement of fighters now its quite probable that, contrary to past statements, even after the culture war is won there is now little doubt but that I will ever be able to thoroughly enjoy flying anything but fighters. Because fighters are thoroughbred killing machines poor looking maneuvers are forgivable, plus new flyers tend not to be quite so intimidated when they observe how difficult precise maneuvering can be.
The bottom line is to have fun and encourage having fun.
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After adding yet more weight to the GUNFIGHTER'S right wing tip as well as the Messerschmitt's right wing tip as a result of the dynamic changes brought about by the split flap and split aileron drag systems, I checked all of my other fighters. Every one of them except the F-15 in their final trim condition have heavier right wings. The F-15 will be adjusted to balance on the center line instead of slightly to the right like all of the propeller driven fighters before its next sortie.
This need for balance right of center surprised me. I had always assumed that aerodynamic trim was all that was needed on center line balanced birds. Now I am curious about full scale airplanes. Does anybody out there in fighterdom know the plane facts about lateral CG?
Holding a plane on its center line while leveling the wings with a horizontal reference behind the plane (I used the top of an entertainment center) the unbalanced phenomena is easy to detect. I had to view the F-15 from the tail due to its long nose and short wing span.
Speaking of the F-15, 84 more were just recently sold to Israel, and there has been a "game changer" between Israel and Iran due to the nuclear situation facilitated by our "friends" (?) the Russians. We can hope against hope that the F-15s would be used only as part of a deterrent force, but the situation in the Mideast looks really grim right now. Hopefully, there will be "minimal collateral damage" if push comes to shove. My main concern here is, as always, the effect such a development could have on the goodfight.com battleground.
Better break off the attack now and save some resources for other critically important fronts.
Over and out.
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Its great to tell them, "under $200."
The GUNFIGHTER is always flown first with an attention getting noise making dead stick dive followed by a few minutes of maneuvers. After this, landing approach passes are then practiced until a timer alarm goes off at approximately 1/2 of the battery's charge capacity as determined by experiment with flight times using my flying style which is usually around 5 minutes. I always use at least two (2) batteries per plane per mission.
As was proven by the second GUNFIGHTER that I bought it is easily capable of performing any maneuver that a full scale Mustang can perform in stock form right out of the box. I failed to have my first GUNFIGHTER properly trimmed on its maiden flight and suffered consequences that played a part in the name "War Weary P-51" that now performs all of the most dangerous sorties first before any other fighter is authorized to engage the enemy in combat.
The newest 51 continues to serve as a beauty queen proudly displayed in my living room. With its carbon fiber tow reinforcement and three (3) ounces lighter weight than the WW 51, it is a joy to simply look at and admire while resisting the temptation to fly it until my combat flying competency improves sufficiently. At that point the WW P-51 will become a back up fighter and I will award myself the pure pleasure that only the pristine condition 51 can provide.
At the moment I am really enjoying the WW 51's adjustable split flap system that allows it to land as nicely as the new Wildcat does. As soon as I overcome the claustrophobia of flying over adequate sized backyards I will feel like I have finally arrived where I need to be as a PF fighter pilot.
FLY, FIGHT, AND WIN!
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Oh the joy of introducing new modeling prospects to Park Flyer fighters!
Yesterday's prospect was particularly fun while I was playing in a variable, turbulent 15 MPH wind at around angels 400 feet. One of his concerns was about how much it cost. He became quite excited with my response and then ask, "can it pull out of a dive?" A split second later the GUNFIGHTER was in a howling polite dead stick dive bombing run straight at us. "Well let's just see" would have been a fun response, but in the excitement of battle at the moment I can't remember if any wise crack was forthcoming or not.
Anyway, with all of his enthusiasm I have no doubt that we will be able to count on the services of yet another fearsome fighter pilot who will not be able to resist responding to his call to glory!
Okay, now for the not so glorious initial contact with the enemy on the 51s first flight of the day - I managed to not notice until I landed that the "bend adjustable" rudder horn system had the rudder significantly deflected to the left. During the flight I was only barely able to roll or fly an outside loop in the low 70s degree air.
Shaken by the embarrassing situation, I straightened the rudder, added slightly more aileron deflection angles, and adjusted the split flaps down to 10 degrees open, and the rest is, as they say, history.
I love the GUNFIGHTER! It is the primary weapon of choice for use on impending upcoming fighter sweep missions. The Wildcat will fly most escort missions with occasional guest appearances of a captured killer 109.
FLY, FIGHT, AND WIN!
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To protect against vines, etc., in marginal landing field areas both of my GUNFIGHTERS now have their wing leading edges protected with fiberglass packing tape in the same way as described on the Corsair thread with the F4U. I am confident that with the P-51's now slower landing speed that it should survive reasonably well in landing areas that I used to think of as marginal at best.
Bought a new back up motor yesterday after noticing a different sound than I am used to when simply hand flipping the prop. Given the problems we have had with the 109's motors it seems prudent to have a spare for the F4F and the 51s. As with most GUNFIGHTER enthusiasts it is unthinkable to have one out of action!
FLY, FIGHT, AND WIN!
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An upgraded media reading web system should make it possible for me to eventually enjoy your video. Hopefully you will continue to share your adventures on the thread. We tend to lose a lot fun posters on the fighter threads that is a trend I hope can be reversed. I believe there is a fabulous future for Park Flyer Fighters in general and the GUNFIGHTER in particular because of its obvious qualities.
I will be out of action for a while but will be back with reports of new mission reports. In the meantime . . .
FLY, FIGHT, AND WIN!
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This is a view of myself and two brothers from the wing key chain cam on my Gunfighter....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhKIZ...eature=channel
A very amateur set of videos with my Gunfighter. I ran full throttle the entire flight and it was very windy. I'll throttle back next week when we fly again. The talker is my 72 year old brother who likes to hear himself talk. He has never been around RC planes before. After these are put on Youtube, he calls everybody he knows with a computer so they can watch them and hear his commentary. He has never owned a computer so he can't watch them himself. The video is from my iPhone and the onboard is a keychain camera.
I caught the turtle and a one pound bass on this trip. My brother eats the fish and I let the turtle and his brother I caught a few weeks ago go back into the water. I'm an animal lover.
Although my newest, lightest GUNFIGHTER will occasionally be used in demo work as the main attraction and will always be mentioned as a good possible first fighter for new qualified pilots, its new primary mission is that of an impressive, reliable back up demonstrator. For now the order of fighter battle is indicated on the Wildcat thread, post # 33. http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_98...m.htm#10011504 The War Weary P-51 will be used only for very limited dangerous missions over depressingly small cluttered landing areas.
The WW 51 flew its final secret mission over foreign soil from a fenced in softball field on the east side of Highway 1 across from Moncton Rd. in Calgary. At first a really fun idea that would have made it practical to literally fly at an altitude significantly beneath my park area ground level over an orchard very close to my mission objective was contemplated, but I ended up whimping out and settled for the ball field instead.
I met with some really great future modeling prospects on my latest mission to Calgary, Canada that meet regularly at the building indicated in the following directions: From the intersection of Highway 2 and Highway 1 go back West on Highway 1 and look for Moncton Rd NE and turn North, it turns into 20A Ave NE that the building is on. The building is on the left at the end of the block. I met some of the best folks I have ever known there and plan to see them again in the future.
Once I teach some of them how to fly with my new "buddy box" system they will be hooked. I can't wait to attack!
FLY, FIGHT, AND WIN!
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The PZ P-51 Mustang, commemorating the greatest fighter of all time is surely the one airplane that every real fighter enthusiast ought to have a back-up for in case the main machine is not flight ready. It was very reassuring recently to be able to double check control deflection angles after some scary binding and control phenomena. Life without at least one scramble ready GUNFIGHTER is not an option!
Not wanting any new flyers to have negative vibes after I bought my newest 51, I continued to soldier on with my older "War Weary" but still great flying GUNFIGHTER and have been regarding my new pristine condition P-51 as a back-up for my first line fighter until now. It will continue be enjoyed often in bright sunlight like it was today where its colors as well as its cool shapes can be easily seen in the sky.
A really great thing about the newer P-51 is that it has ended up being three (3) ounces lighter than my first PZ 51. The new ship flew perfectly on its maiden flight day as reported on this thread. Having been enjoying the new machine as primarily a piece of art in my living room for months until yesterday, I finally couldn't resist taking it out to enjoy comparing its superior performance capabilities (due largely to its lighter weight) against my newly modified PZ Wildcat.
The new modified "high altitude" prop and 30 Amp ESC equipped F4F flew first. The previously bound P-51 had to be bound again. Is it normal for planes to become "unbound?" Everything had to be readjusted, a servo was backwards, etc. Finally got everything right thanks in part to the now back-up War Weary GUNFIGHTER that I was able to use for reference.
The 51 is really beautiful flying in bright sunlight, and it's unique performance characteristics were quite pleasurable . Flying various fighters can be more fun than I would have ever thought.
I found out that extra "exponential" helps prevent the rolling out of outside loops problem like I have had with the 51 at sea level and the Wildcat at a "Continental Divide" spot 10,500 feet altitude when using the stock prop (same prop as the GUNFIGHTER). My new modified prop (discussed on the F4F thread) is the very first "variable pitch" prop that seems to do everything I need to enjoy realistic high flying performance at any practical altitude. In dense sea level air the prop evidently flexes some allowing less pitch angles of the blades and providing great performance. The motor (same as the PZ 51) draws around 23 Amps at full throttle. At higher altitudes and speeds
the prop is under less load and flexes less thus allowing greater pitch angles of the blades for more useful bite of blades for higher speed when it is most needed.
Though I am picking up an extra 30 Amp ESC at the hobby shop tomorrow it will only be a spare. Current plans are to fly the Mustangs only at sea level locations where stock equipment is quite adequate and efficient. My modified Wildcat beats the Mustangs in aerobatic and load lifting performance but at the price of 25% greater amperage.
Yes, in the event the F4F is put out of action
the War Weary 51 and/or the new PZ P-47 will be set up for "any altitude" flying. So, since we have a war to win, . . .
FLY, FIGHT, AND WIN!
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In addition to unbinding with my pristine condition GUNFIGHTER, the DX7 also allowed the trim for the War Weary GUNFIGHTER to become dangerously off and I didn't notice until I got into the air. Way too much up elevator trim - I couldn't complete an outside loop - had to roll out and fly only right side up the rest of the flight. Channel one also has the problem of not allowing high and low rate of independent control surfaces. All controls are either all low or all high. So, has anyone besides you and me had similar problems?
The moral of the story seems to be to always check control surfaces for any suspicious deflection angles, especially after long periods of under employed fighter activity.
FLY, FIGHT, AND KEEP ON WINNING!
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The big downside is the cost of receivers, something like USD100 each, unless you can find a bargain.
Happy flying :-)
Dave
Always appreciate your thoughts. When I finally decide to get really serious about R/C I will definitely keep your observations in mind. In the meantime I promise to treat my R/C equipment a lot like Remington 700 owners ought to treat their guns (they tend to go off unexpectedly according to a tv documentary).
"Just Fly at Any Altitude" is the new slogan for my GUNFIGHTERS and the "trainer like qualities Wildcat" equipment. It turns out that modified PZ Spitfire props allow these two fighters to fly very well from sea level up to 10,500 feet above sea level "flying sites."
I don't know if anybody has noticed yet, but the Wildcat fighter thread is like no other. Wildcat drivers are either the best fighter pilots on the forum or they are simply not reporting disasters. My theory is that the Cat is simply a very sweet and stable platform that is as perfect for a first fighter for newly qualified pilots as is possible and that is the real reason - the killer F4Fs are simply not crashing .
Because of their irresistible unique qualities I always recommend the Mustang and Wildcat equally to prospective new qualified fighter pilots while explaining the pros and cons of both planes.
I have a bona fide crash report that I intend to eventually post on the Wildcat thread. It happened on the very same day that I enjoyed flying my pristine condition GUNFIGHTER last week. Surely, I am not the only flyer to experience a pilot error caused Wildcat crash, but I wouldn't be too surprised if there simply are none. Way to go pilots!
In the words used at different times by the Military Channel and put together here, . . . "FLY HIGH, FIGHT, AND WIN!
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