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06-26-2010, 02:10 PM
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i fly with Don and Grover at the Willard field.they said it was to much trouble just to get past the guards at NASA, they are always coming up with new rules every time they try to get in. the hours are one to five o-clock and a special past to get you to fly till dusk.plus a back round check before you are allowed past the gates.
but i guess this is to be expected when you deal with this great government we have in place now.
but i guess this is to be expected when you deal with this great government we have in place now.
06-26-2010, 08:41 PM
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Captinjohn & TOM,
I have been out of this forum and all others for some time but I could not resist a reply to you both. I decided to get caught back up on this forum and have been doing some reading. About 40 pages back you guys were discussing what a "Shovel Head" was/is. Well...I have to rib both you guys. I have to admit that the bone stock 1957 HD panhead was a jewel but you have to be a real motorhead to love the 47 "knuckle head" let alone get it to run good. On a hot humid summer night it was really cool to stand back with a cold brew and watch the old knuckle head set at an idle and throw off ignition sparks (comparable to that of a 4th of July fireworks show) hop on it and ride it home knowing that all that voltage was running through your body ( along with everything else you took in that night!)!
I know this is off subject but I could not resist. Just like the old Harleys and model engines...there is no such thing as perfection...at least not on this earth. You gotta put some TLC along with patience and knowledge in there to make it run good.
Not being able to remember some of my past is a good thing but some things you never forget!
I have been out of this forum and all others for some time but I could not resist a reply to you both. I decided to get caught back up on this forum and have been doing some reading. About 40 pages back you guys were discussing what a "Shovel Head" was/is. Well...I have to rib both you guys. I have to admit that the bone stock 1957 HD panhead was a jewel but you have to be a real motorhead to love the 47 "knuckle head" let alone get it to run good. On a hot humid summer night it was really cool to stand back with a cold brew and watch the old knuckle head set at an idle and throw off ignition sparks (comparable to that of a 4th of July fireworks show) hop on it and ride it home knowing that all that voltage was running through your body ( along with everything else you took in that night!)!
I know this is off subject but I could not resist. Just like the old Harleys and model engines...there is no such thing as perfection...at least not on this earth. You gotta put some TLC along with patience and knowledge in there to make it run good.
Not being able to remember some of my past is a good thing but some things you never forget!
06-28-2010, 11:22 AM
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RE: NEW DLE30!
ORIGINAL: w8ye
The stock rings are hard and take forever to break in.
Bill was probably seeing chipped edges?
The stock rings are hard and take forever to break in.
Bill was probably seeing chipped edges?
The ring we took out looked like crap under a mag glass.I am flying one 30 that has pretty poor compression not much time on this one
I was REALLY hoping by now most if any bugs were worked out of the dle 30 engine. I got Burned SSOOOOO bad on my first one, that now I am gun shy about buying another one.
You w8ye are somebody I trust, and you posted a question as to maybe the ring had chipped edges. What would cause the chipped edges?
I have read so much about how the 30 engine has so much power. That I would like to put one on one of my planes I am using to learn 3d on.
Can anybody suggest a good reliable 30cc engine? Just pm me. Thanks to all!!
06-28-2010, 11:53 AM
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I'll say it again. None of the Chinese engines have good rings, they are much too hard. They don't wear out. The problem is they don't seat and break in. Since they do not break in you do not achieve the level of compression the engine should have.
BCCHI did not state his rings were worn out, just not seated. That was the reason for the change to the Bowman ring, a subject that has been covered numerous time in this thread.
It does not matter what Chinese engine you buy. The size or manufacturer name has no relevance. The rings suck, period. I would not expect DLE to move any faster, or at all, in this area than any of the other manufacturers. The point thta so many fail to comprehend is they are not paying for a great engine, only a good one. A great engine costs more and if they want further improvemnts in these little modified weed eater engines they should expect to pay more. If people wanted super quality they would have bought Zenoah or 3w and paid more. They wanted price and expected to get the best for less. It doesn't work that way.
If you want max compression quickly, spring a few dollars for a Bowman ring. If you are not in a hurry, burn a lot of gas and the ring will eventually seat. It's that simple. There is NOTHING wrong with a DLE 30. Period, end of story, enough complaining about the matter. What there is a problem with is a lack of engine knowledge by a large percentage of the users.
BCCHI did not state his rings were worn out, just not seated. That was the reason for the change to the Bowman ring, a subject that has been covered numerous time in this thread.
It does not matter what Chinese engine you buy. The size or manufacturer name has no relevance. The rings suck, period. I would not expect DLE to move any faster, or at all, in this area than any of the other manufacturers. The point thta so many fail to comprehend is they are not paying for a great engine, only a good one. A great engine costs more and if they want further improvemnts in these little modified weed eater engines they should expect to pay more. If people wanted super quality they would have bought Zenoah or 3w and paid more. They wanted price and expected to get the best for less. It doesn't work that way.
If you want max compression quickly, spring a few dollars for a Bowman ring. If you are not in a hurry, burn a lot of gas and the ring will eventually seat. It's that simple. There is NOTHING wrong with a DLE 30. Period, end of story, enough complaining about the matter. What there is a problem with is a lack of engine knowledge by a large percentage of the users.
06-28-2010, 12:11 PM
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I don't have a DLE-30 so I'm not really the authority on this engine. I was just summing up in my mind what I've read in these threads the last couple years.
Every one has been saying the OEM rings are hard and take a long time to fully seat. I would figure that there are inconsistances in the product and some people's engines are just fine.
Frank Bowman has an excellent reputation for making rings so it is only natural that a lot of people would be wanting to put his rings in their engines.
If you want better quality, there's another thread about an engine this size but to listen to the good music, you are going to have to pay a $100 more for this other engine.
There are many people very well pleased with the DLE30. They make good power. BCCHI has a half dozen of them. If he didn't like the engine he would be lucky to have one. He and his friend, TKG, are some of the more authoritative engine people in this forum.
Everyone you can think of sells DLE's so there are many other people impressed with the engine also.
Every one has been saying the OEM rings are hard and take a long time to fully seat. I would figure that there are inconsistances in the product and some people's engines are just fine.
Frank Bowman has an excellent reputation for making rings so it is only natural that a lot of people would be wanting to put his rings in their engines.
If you want better quality, there's another thread about an engine this size but to listen to the good music, you are going to have to pay a $100 more for this other engine.
There are many people very well pleased with the DLE30. They make good power. BCCHI has a half dozen of them. If he didn't like the engine he would be lucky to have one. He and his friend, TKG, are some of the more authoritative engine people in this forum.
Everyone you can think of sells DLE's so there are many other people impressed with the engine also.
06-28-2010, 12:19 PM
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RE: NEW DLE30!
ORIGINAL: w8ye
I don't have a DLE-30 so I'm not really the authority on this engine. I was just summing up in my mind what I've read in these threads the last couple years.
Every one has been saying the OEM rings are hard and take a long time to fully seat. I would figure that there are inconsistances in the product and some people's engines are just fine.
Frank Bowman has an excellent reputation for making rings so it is only natural that a lot of people would be wanting to put his rings in their engines.
If you want better quality, there's another thread about an engine this size but to listen to the good music, you are going to have to pay a $100 more for this other engine.
There are many people very well pleased with the DLE30. They make good power. BCCHI has a half dozen of them. If he didn't like the engine he would be lucky to have one. He and his friend, TKG, are some of the more authoritative engine people in this forum.
Everyone you can think of sells DLE's so there are many other people impressed with the engine also.
I don't have a DLE-30 so I'm not really the authority on this engine. I was just summing up in my mind what I've read in these threads the last couple years.
Every one has been saying the OEM rings are hard and take a long time to fully seat. I would figure that there are inconsistances in the product and some people's engines are just fine.
Frank Bowman has an excellent reputation for making rings so it is only natural that a lot of people would be wanting to put his rings in their engines.
If you want better quality, there's another thread about an engine this size but to listen to the good music, you are going to have to pay a $100 more for this other engine.
There are many people very well pleased with the DLE30. They make good power. BCCHI has a half dozen of them. If he didn't like the engine he would be lucky to have one. He and his friend, TKG, are some of the more authoritative engine people in this forum.
Everyone you can think of sells DLE's so there are many other people impressed with the engine also.
My thoughts are that I buy one and change out any low grade parts before I even start the engine the first time.
I see nothing wrong with doing any upgrades. I just want to build up a plane and go PLAY!!! Not work on it.
So I am looking for ideas as to what parts to order when I buy the engine.
Thanks for the help and Ideas.
06-28-2010, 02:41 PM
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In which case you buy a Zenoah or 3w. The 3w has more power than the DLE 30 but you're going to pay a lot extra for only a little difference. One cost a lot more than the other and the lowest priced of the pair costs more than a DLE. The other option is Syssa and it does not have a long use history yet either. The longest history of the better Chinese 30cc class engines is the DLE.
One has to decide on the relative importance of various factors.
1) Cost
2) Weight
3) Power
4) Reliability
5) Ease of use
6) Customer support
7) Life cycle
The order of those factors determines what is purchased, and what it costs. There are no free rides.
One has to decide on the relative importance of various factors.
1) Cost
2) Weight
3) Power
4) Reliability
5) Ease of use
6) Customer support
7) Life cycle
The order of those factors determines what is purchased, and what it costs. There are no free rides.
06-28-2010, 03:05 PM
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everytime I read posts like this debating the reliability etc I try to ferret out the bs from the commonsense stuff.I have talked and talked about buying a 30cc motor and the dle30 seems to be the flavor of the month and to be certain there are a few others in the 30cc range most made in china.but for all the bs everyone seems to be enjoying the performance and I dearly want to try it .I did have a 3w back when and Da's are very good quality ..just out too much in my budget.
where I buy my engine will be based on service,I see them out there for lo prices but I want to buy from a guy that says if it doesnt work I'll fix it.for me with 2 left thumbs I need a company that warranties it stuff. yeah I;ll pay a bit more but I know I have a place to go to if theres a problem..
where I buy my engine will be based on service,I see them out there for lo prices but I want to buy from a guy that says if it doesnt work I'll fix it.for me with 2 left thumbs I need a company that warranties it stuff. yeah I;ll pay a bit more but I know I have a place to go to if theres a problem..
06-28-2010, 03:35 PM
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ORIGINAL: gasrchobbyengines
Ok, below is what BCCHI said in his post, It looks like there maybe a problem with the rings wearing out too quickly or not seating properly. He even says he has a 30 that has poor compression. read below.
The ring we took out looked like crap under a mag glass.I am flying one 30 that has pretty poor compression not much time on this one<hr />
I was REALLY hoping by now most if any bugs were worked out of the dle 30 engine. I got Burned SSOOOOO bad on my first one, that now I am gun shy about buying another one.
You w8ye are somebody I trust, and you posted a question as to maybe the ring had chipped edges. What would cause the chipped edges?
I have read so much about how the 30 engine has so much power. That I would like to put one on one of my planes I am using to learn 3d on.
Can anybody suggest a good reliable 30cc engine? Just pm me. Thanks to all!!
ORIGINAL: w8ye
The stock rings are hard and take forever to break in.
Bill was probably seeing chipped edges?
The stock rings are hard and take forever to break in.
Bill was probably seeing chipped edges?
The ring we took out looked like crap under a mag glass.I am flying one 30 that has pretty poor compression not much time on this one<hr />
I was REALLY hoping by now most if any bugs were worked out of the dle 30 engine. I got Burned SSOOOOO bad on my first one, that now I am gun shy about buying another one.
You w8ye are somebody I trust, and you posted a question as to maybe the ring had chipped edges. What would cause the chipped edges?
I have read so much about how the 30 engine has so much power. That I would like to put one on one of my planes I am using to learn 3d on.
Can anybody suggest a good reliable 30cc engine? Just pm me. Thanks to all!!
Now you say you got burnt on a engine...was it a DLE? & what is the story on that engine. Thanks Capt,n
06-28-2010, 03:41 PM
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Terry at C&H Ign. sent a P&C to me for rings, I now have them in stock, $10 ea. $14 for (1) shipped, $24 for 2 shipped. Discount of $1 off per ring on orders of 10 or more mixed brands & sizes fine. Take care, Frank
Read more: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_91...#ixzz0sBMKFyYM
Frank C. Bowman
This is a post stating his rings are $14 shipped.
If someone is that worried about the dle rings, throw a set of the Bowman rings in and smile!
I agree with T.O.M. there is nothing wrong with these engines. If you want it to break in faster, spend your $14 more, a half hour in time and fly it!
Read more: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_91...#ixzz0sBMKFyYM
Frank C. Bowman
This is a post stating his rings are $14 shipped.
If someone is that worried about the dle rings, throw a set of the Bowman rings in and smile!
I agree with T.O.M. there is nothing wrong with these engines. If you want it to break in faster, spend your $14 more, a half hour in time and fly it!
06-28-2010, 03:44 PM
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ORIGINAL: captinjohn
<hr />The way your post came through...what one person said & what you said kinda ran together so I placed a line in between.<hr />Now there is nothing wrong with the DLE30 except that some rings are too hard & do not break in good. It takes a lot of time, so I want a Bowman ring for faster break-in and I think in the long run a ring that seats in fast is going to be much more easy on the cylinder and less wear will take place.
Now you say you got burnt on a engine...was it a DLE? & what is the story on that engine. Thanks Capt,n
ORIGINAL: gasrchobbyengines
Ok, below is what BCCHI said in his post, It looks like there maybe a problem with the rings wearing out too quickly or not seating properly. He even says he has a 30 that has poor compression. read below.
The ring we took out looked like crap under a mag glass.I am flying one 30 that has pretty poor compression not much time on this one<hr />
I was REALLY hoping by now most if any bugs were worked out of the dle 30 engine. I got Burned SSOOOOO bad on my first one, that now I am gun shy about buying another one.
You w8ye are somebody I trust, and you posted a question as to maybe the ring had chipped edges. What would cause the chipped edges?
I have read so much about how the 30 engine has so much power. That I would like to put one on one of my planes I am using to learn 3d on.
Can anybody suggest a good reliable 30cc engine? Just pm me. Thanks to all!!
ORIGINAL: w8ye
The stock rings are hard and take forever to break in.
Bill was probably seeing chipped edges?
The stock rings are hard and take forever to break in.
Bill was probably seeing chipped edges?
The ring we took out looked like crap under a mag glass.I am flying one 30 that has pretty poor compression not much time on this one<hr />
I was REALLY hoping by now most if any bugs were worked out of the dle 30 engine. I got Burned SSOOOOO bad on my first one, that now I am gun shy about buying another one.
You w8ye are somebody I trust, and you posted a question as to maybe the ring had chipped edges. What would cause the chipped edges?
I have read so much about how the 30 engine has so much power. That I would like to put one on one of my planes I am using to learn 3d on.
Can anybody suggest a good reliable 30cc engine? Just pm me. Thanks to all!!
Now you say you got burnt on a engine...was it a DLE? & what is the story on that engine. Thanks Capt,n
I have been selling gas engines for awhile now and have learned alot. But I am learning the value of buying a good engine and then doing any desired upgrades, like the bowman ring you mentioned, before I even put an engine on the stand and run it the first time.
As far as the first dle 30 I bought that I had problems with, I am done with even talking about it. Please forgive me cap, I just am tired of all the bs that gets started.
All I want is to get a 30cc engine set up and GO HAVE FUN!!
Thanks to everyone who has sent me pm's May God bless you all!!
06-28-2010, 06:21 PM
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[email protected] is the best way to contact Mr Bowman and get a list of rings and prices.
06-29-2010, 12:56 AM
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ORIGINAL: gasrchobbyengines
Ok, below is what BCCHI said in his post, It looks like there maybe a problem with the rings wearing out too quickly or not seating properly. He even says he has a 30 that has poor compression. read below.
The ring we took out looked like crap under a mag glass.I am flying one 30 that has pretty poor compression not much time on this one
I was REALLY hoping by now most if any bugs were worked out of the dle 30 engine. I got Burned SSOOOOO bad on my first one, that now I am gun shy about buying another one.
You w8ye are somebody I trust, and you posted a question as to maybe the ring had chipped edges. What would cause the chipped edges?
I have read so much about how the 30 engine has so much power. That I would like to put one on one of my planes I am using to learn 3d on.
Can anybody suggest a good reliable 30cc engine? Just pm me. Thanks to all!!
ORIGINAL: w8ye
The stock rings are hard and take forever to break in.
Bill was probably seeing chipped edges?
The stock rings are hard and take forever to break in.
Bill was probably seeing chipped edges?
The ring we took out looked like crap under a mag glass.I am flying one 30 that has pretty poor compression not much time on this one
I was REALLY hoping by now most if any bugs were worked out of the dle 30 engine. I got Burned SSOOOOO bad on my first one, that now I am gun shy about buying another one.
You w8ye are somebody I trust, and you posted a question as to maybe the ring had chipped edges. What would cause the chipped edges?
I have read so much about how the 30 engine has so much power. That I would like to put one on one of my planes I am using to learn 3d on.
Can anybody suggest a good reliable 30cc engine? Just pm me. Thanks to all!!
Going to Billings MT tomorrow for a heart cath and leg angeo.Then look forward for a leg surgery to replace complete artery with Gortex.
Wish me luck.Getting old sucks.
Grumpy no two BCCHI
06-29-2010, 11:28 AM
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Bill
We wish you the very best in the procedure you are going to do. I & Dawn will be praying that all goes well.
I bet you cannot wait to get back home & rest...then its flying time again or enjoying this Hobby & other things the best you can. That all us old folks can do! Hang in there....God is good. J&D Hesperia MI
We wish you the very best in the procedure you are going to do. I & Dawn will be praying that all goes well.
I bet you cannot wait to get back home & rest...then its flying time again or enjoying this Hobby & other things the best you can. That all us old folks can do! Hang in there....God is good. J&D Hesperia MI
06-29-2010, 02:43 PM
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Jody....I did a trade & have a Cap 232 Old version Hanger9 Estmated weight of up to 13+ pounds. Wing area around 1200. I may try my DLE30 on it. Would a 20x6 prop be good or a 19x8? Thanks Capt,n.....Only about 12 more= 200,000 That is a lot of views!