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Old 09-20-2014, 05:23 PM
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I'm thinking even just a piece if 1/16 or 3/32 sheet on the inside running opposite grain will be enough.
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Originally Posted by acerc
You could, on the vertical, move the bottom stringer so it is in contact with the sheeting. And you could pin it to the sheeting with some hardwood dowels, toothpicks are a favorite of mine. Of course you could put a small strip of hardwood under the vertical and horizontal and pin them both, this would be a minimal weight gain.
The bottom stringer already contacts the 1/8 sheet, so I think a little of everything that you guys said will be plenty enough strength. I just didn't want to add weight if there wasn't a need. Thanks guys.
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You were asking about my wing tube, and the thickness of my wing. Here's a pic of the root rib, drilled for the 1 1/4" wing socket. The other rib is the outermost, that takes the tube. You can see that the wing thickness tapers drastically.
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Old 09-21-2014, 03:19 AM
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Looks as if mine may be a little easier to do as mine has a constant chord and thickness. Thanks tom.
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Originally Posted by stevegauth30
Looks as if mine may be a little easier to do as mine has a constant chord and thickness. Thanks tom.
A friend is an expert, when it comes to laying things out. We had a b***h of a time.

A constant cord wing will make things easier. You shouldn't have any problems.
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I can also see that you have some dihedral there. I don't have that either. Mine will be a cake walk. For once I get the clean end of the stick. Lol
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I just wish I could translate .822 inch into something I could work with so I didn't have to wait to get it to drill. But I'll be patient. I really don't want to have to recut the ribs because I drilled the wrong size holes. I'll just wait.
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Originally Posted by stevegauth30
I can also see that you have some dihedral there. I don't have that either. Mine will be a cake walk. For once I get the clean end of the stick. Lol
Nothing wrong with having an easy job of it.

Nothing is easy on this Vega. I even had trouble with opening the box. LOL
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Originally Posted by TomCrump
Nothing wrong with having an easy job of it.

Nothing is easy on this Vega. I even had trouble with opening the box. LOL
Too funny. But that will make the plane all that much meaningfull to you in the end. And don't worry, I'm having my fair share of troubles with this one.
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Originally Posted by stevegauth30
I just wish I could translate .822 inch into something I could work with so I didn't have to wait to get it to drill. But I'll be patient. I really don't want to have to recut the ribs because I drilled the wrong size holes. I'll just wait.
You can drill your holes too large, and then build your wing. Slide in the socket, and get it level. Shims can then be glued to support the socket. I did it that way on my Cessna Airmaster, when I added wingtubes as an afterthought.

By the way. The Airmaster was an IKON kit, too. It was nearly as challenging as the Vega.

The box opened easily.
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That's a thought. I'll probably have to go that route anyway because I'm pretty sure the socket will be about 13/16 and I only have 7/8 or 1 inch in a Forstner bit. You and that dang cartoon wood. Cracks me up.
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Cartoon wood has served me well. It's saved hundreds of dollars on light ply.

I use alternative materials whenever they become available.. Most are scrap, from my former employer.

I have 30"X42" sheets of black plastic that vacu forms well, but is also suitable for surface panels, instrument panels, etc. I haven't purchased clear plastic sheet.....ever. They had an endless supply. I use it for windows and windshields, but most of all, for templates.
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I agree with Tom on the oversized tube holes, I almost always do it that way. It is much easier to set everything up and glue the tube in place, much easier than if the first cutting was off a little and finding it after the wings are assembled. As a matter of fact, my current build had precut holes and I opened them up just to be safe.
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So, you think I should drill them at 1 inch and go for it? Will certainly be much easier that way.
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Easier is good.
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Building these birds is much easier with guys like you around to teach guys like me the little tricks. Thanks Tom and Robert.
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I don't know about Robert, but I lean on friends, too. I could never get this stuff completed without outside input.
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Yep! Much easier to fix something before it is broken.
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This has been a good discussion on wing tubes. I have never used one before. But my future builds (except for some smaller birds) have to go that way due to storage and transport issues. Making the holes somewhat oversize to start with was super key information. Thanks guys. Key info for the new stretched Kadet SR Wing.

I built one glider that had a 2 piece take apart wing. But it used a built up joiner spar from 5 ply and aluminum flat stock. HATED IT. Temp and humidity would give me a loose or way to tight fit depending on conditions. Still got the wing halves. Plan on some time replace the joiner spar with a tube and adding a new additional center section to push the wing out to about 15 foot. Then aero tow it. No slopes here for gliding from. I do miss that.

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OK, Ken. Let me add to the confusion.

On my Kadet Sport ARF, which utilizes a wing tube, I fixed the wings together. I thought the two piece wing was a pain in the assets, on such a small model.
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It's all a pain in the asset. If it weren't, we wouldn't be doing it.
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Heck I am a pain in the asset, you kidding.

The new wing is getting a foot each panel stretch. And attaching at the bottom. I drive a 'o3 Acura, and the rear seats don't fold. Space dictates a lot of building.

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http://youtu.be/DIdToHqD6vo
For your Sunday viewing pleasure. I'm sure a lot of you have seen this, but maybe some who haven't. There's a lot about some of the airplanes that were building. There's also links to 12 more good videos at the bottom. Tom, there's a lot about your Vega in here. All stuff I'm sure you already know.
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Thanks Steve !

The Vega stuff is great, and provides some angles that I hadn't seen in pics.

I'll refer to the vid when I get to the detail segment of my build.
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No problem Tom. I feel like such good material should be shared. Glad I was able to contribute. Wing construction has begun. I really thought I was going to be able to breeze through the wings and that the wing ribs were all in good useable shape. Huh, sadly mistaken. Nothing lines up, nothing is consistent. Even if it was wrong, but consist ant, I'd be alright with it. But these ribs are horrible. I spent most of the day re-cutting them and getting everything to work. I think I have it sorted out unless there's something I'm missing. The flap mod was easy. Just cut the ribs and add a LE and TE. I can't believe ol Bud didn't see the importance of flaps on this bird. Oh well. Soon, I'll glue it all up and start laminating the wing tips. My opinion is that a one piece laminated tip is much stronger and lighter than the bulky block style the plans call for. But that's just me. Pics coming soon. I know, you guys start to get all yippitty! Just keep yer pants on!


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