Savage Set Up for Racing? Reducing Body Roll?
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Savage Set Up for Racing? Reducing Body Roll?
Hello everyone, I am trying to set up my Savage Flux HP for racing and I wanted some tips? I have RPM arms so I cannot use the HPI sway bars. I have 9000mAh batteries so I use 9lb springs on the back to make up for the extra weight. Whenever I even touch the throttle, the truck immediately back flips or goes on its top and the second I touch the steering, its flips over because of body roll. Any suggetions?
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RE: Savage Set Up for Racing? Reducing Body Roll?
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Upon? Did you mean the HPI suspension kit?
Upon? Did you mean the HPI suspension kit?
The HPI suspension kit is a nice kit. It really does improved the handling. It lowers the roll center, and adds more caster to the front end. This allows the tires to lean when you turn but they stay upright when going straight.
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RE: Savage Set Up for Racing? Reducing Body Roll?
I took all the clips out to lower the truck but it needs that extra step. I will give that suspension set up a try in the coming weeks. Thanks for the help!
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RE: Savage Set Up for Racing? Reducing Body Roll?
if your running on asphalt, put your clips back in and pull the truck down with tiestraps. the handling is amazing. i pulled my flux down so the skid plate was abouthalf an inch off the ground, proline road rage tires. lots of fun, infact i was able to actually get the truck to top speed!!!. As far as the truck flipping on its lid, well theres nothing you can do about that aside from running weak batteries or the traxxas wheelie bar, that will keep a flux planted
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RE: Savage Set Up for Racing? Reducing Body Roll?
Pull it down with tiestraps? Can you take a picture and show me what you mean? I have an idea of what you mean but if you could kindly take a picture, I would appreciate it.
Yeah, I was looking at those Road Rages and I think that is the best option for the truck. I wish I could throw them on some dish wheels but the desparado 40 series would do just fine. I was going to buy the Traxxas dish wheels with the Traxxas road rage tires, but the Traxxas 17mm hex hub is different than others because it has those spiky things.
Also, you mentioned the Traxxas wheelie bar which I would love to put on the flux since the current wheelie bar does not help with high speed launches at all. Have you figured out a good way to mount that wheelie bar on? Do you have a picture of that?
Yeah, I was looking at those Road Rages and I think that is the best option for the truck. I wish I could throw them on some dish wheels but the desparado 40 series would do just fine. I was going to buy the Traxxas dish wheels with the Traxxas road rage tires, but the Traxxas 17mm hex hub is different than others because it has those spiky things.
Also, you mentioned the Traxxas wheelie bar which I would love to put on the flux since the current wheelie bar does not help with high speed launches at all. Have you figured out a good way to mount that wheelie bar on? Do you have a picture of that?
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RE: Savage Set Up for Racing? Reducing Body Roll?
if you shorten the shock length with tie straps or even fule tube in the shocks it makes the savage all stiff. it wont traction roll anymore but the handling will be appalling. what you need to do is buy some truggy shocks, these lower the truck while keeping it soft-ish. they will allow you to tune the shocks way better too, and because it isnt so stiff it wont wheelie as much. i tied a full on truggy conversion on my wheely monster ss4.6 savage, the results were unrivalled.
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RE: Savage Set Up for Racing? Reducing Body Roll?
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if you shorten the shock length with tie straps or even fule tube in the shocks it makes the savage all stiff. it wont traction roll anymore but the handling will be appalling. what you need to do is buy some truggy shocks, these lower the truck while keeping it soft-ish. they will allow you to tune the shocks way better too, and because it isnt so stiff it wont wheelie as much. i tied a full on truggy conversion on my wheely monster ss4.6 savage, the results were unrivalled. [img][/img]
if you shorten the shock length with tie straps or even fule tube in the shocks it makes the savage all stiff. it wont traction roll anymore but the handling will be appalling. what you need to do is buy some truggy shocks, these lower the truck while keeping it soft-ish. they will allow you to tune the shocks way better too, and because it isnt so stiff it wont wheelie as much. i tied a full on truggy conversion on my wheely monster ss4.6 savage, the results were unrivalled. [img][/img]
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RE: Savage Set Up for Racing? Reducing Body Roll?
No no, you were right, I want this for racing on pavement. Thank you for all of your tips, I will try them on my next run.
The Traxxas wheelie bar would work wonders though if I could get it to work the same way as on the e-revo brushless, hopefully Steed will post pix soon, I am excited to see how its bolted on.
The Traxxas wheelie bar would work wonders though if I could get it to work the same way as on the e-revo brushless, hopefully Steed will post pix soon, I am excited to see how its bolted on.
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RE: Savage Set Up for Racing? Reducing Body Roll?
Heres what ive done to my flux, It makes it literally un-rollable
Axial beadlock rims
Proline 40 series bow tie tyres
TCS crawlers XL flux chassis plates (orange)
HPI suspension conversion kit
HPI Stiff springs 11.5 coils (yellow 177gF/mm)
80 weight shock oil
front and rear sway bars
Hitec 7980 steering servo (6.0v torque: 38kg speed: .20sec)
Integy universal shock towers
Also i have lowered shocks by putting a piece of fuel tubeing over the shock shaft inside the shock body itself. You can change the ride height by the length of tubeing you use. A good and cheap way of lowering you savage. You will have to cut the springs down to suit the length of shock you will have.
You want to get it low, stiff, wide and long for it to be able to handle. This combination works really well, hope this helps.
Axial beadlock rims
Proline 40 series bow tie tyres
TCS crawlers XL flux chassis plates (orange)
HPI suspension conversion kit
HPI Stiff springs 11.5 coils (yellow 177gF/mm)
80 weight shock oil
front and rear sway bars
Hitec 7980 steering servo (6.0v torque: 38kg speed: .20sec)
Integy universal shock towers
Also i have lowered shocks by putting a piece of fuel tubeing over the shock shaft inside the shock body itself. You can change the ride height by the length of tubeing you use. A good and cheap way of lowering you savage. You will have to cut the springs down to suit the length of shock you will have.
You want to get it low, stiff, wide and long for it to be able to handle. This combination works really well, hope this helps.
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RE: Savage Set Up for Racing? Reducing Body Roll?
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i just realized you probably want this for racing off road. ignore my post, my bad.
i just realized you probably want this for racing off road. ignore my post, my bad.
Hey steed how are you? The traxxas wheelie bar work wonders for me.. thanks to the idea of mr steed... :-)
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RE: Savage Set Up for Racing? Reducing Body Roll?
I had the same problem you are having when i first bought the Savage. It handled horribly. Leaned like crazy and flipped on the slightest turn.
My savage today handles totally different. I first upgraded to the HPI suspension conversion, I got RPM arms all around, I made my own holes for the stabilizer bars and its holding up just fine. I got a new steering servo. I got the longer, wider Wheel hubs and put smaller hpi wheels/rims. The bigger tires dont help imo.
I also got the HPI big bore shocks and filled it with 40wt oil.
The truck handles totally different now. The biggest improvement is in how it turns. I would really have to try to flip it now. The upgrades where worth it.
Hope this helps.
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RE: Savage Set Up for Racing? Reducing Body Roll?
Yeah lowering it does a lot but it sounds like all of you really like the Savage Suspension Kit so maybe I will look into getting that. It is a little pricey but it sounds like it really works. I have stiffer springs already, 9 lb. in the front and 10 lb in the back but I definitely need some work in the tire department, I will probably go with Proline Road Rage just for a little added run life over bow ties.
Thank you to everyone for all this help! I really appreciate it. :-D
Thank you to everyone for all this help! I really appreciate it. :-D
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RE: Savage Set Up for Racing? Reducing Body Roll?
near the bottom of this thread are the pics with a traxxas wheelie bar on one of my savage x's
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_97...tm.htm#9715359
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_97...tm.htm#9715359
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Post the link to that kit
Post the link to that kit
$163 at tower hobbies. You could probably find it cheaper on ebay.
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RE: Savage Set Up for Racing? Reducing Body Roll?
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Yeah lowering it does a lot but it sounds like all of you really like the Savage Suspension Kit so maybe I will look into getting that. It is a little pricey but it sounds like it really works.
Yeah lowering it does a lot but it sounds like all of you really like the Savage Suspension Kit so maybe I will look into getting that. It is a little pricey but it sounds like it really works.