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The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, reviews of... - 11/16/2006 8:22:33 PM   
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Everyone has seen ads like these:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/1-10-RC-4WD-Electric-Remote-Control-Monster-Truck-w-ESC_W0QQitemZ140051786775QQihZ004QQcategoryZ44029QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.ca/2007-LATEST-IMPROVED-RC-1-10-ELECTRIC-TRUCK-4WD_W0QQitemZ230049765873QQihZ013QQcategoryZ44029QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

These are just two examples of MANY cheap Chinese knock offs of well known rigs. The purpose of this thread is to try to collect info and opinions about these cars from the people who HAVE USED THEM. I have seen an awful lot of posts all over saying to avoid them, but not really from people who own them. It seems to be more the idea of copies that bothers people. Myself, I suspect that they are built in the same factories (often), and with identical parts. If they are half the price, and perform similarly, does it really matter if they last half as long. And who's to say that they won't? What if the parts are compatible (like the Bonzer is with the Tamiya Wild Dagger).

But, is it wrong to buy what are essentially stolen/pirated copies of the originals? These companies did not do the R/D to make a great rig, Traxxas and DuraTrax, and Tamiya did. Shouldn't they get the profit?

Render your opinions, links, experiences, photos and $0.02 below.

I'll start with the Heng Long Mad Truck that has recently appeared on eBay. It seems to be a very impressive set of features for $150; aluminum oil shocks, metal gearing, full ball bearings, esc, and aluminum skidplates. While not an exact knock-off of anything I can figure, it seems to be an assemblage of other trucks. I asked this guy selling a used one on ebay what he thought:

"Hi, glad to answer, The quality is quite impressive and they definetly did R/D when making it. Hard to tell what it is supposed to copy, maybe the Ofna Monster Pirate but in smaller scale?? The drivetrain spins like silk and appears very strong. The shafts and bones are thick and strong, pins are hardened and all outdrive are metal. I looked at the diffs and they are meshed fine and are great quality, full metal gears impressed me too...." and "The hexes on it now are a perfect match for the HPI Star 2.2 wheels. As for replacment parts, you can pretty much revamp the electrics (no need, maybe metal gear servo if this one ever fails), the shocks (the included ones are great shocks and I've had many!) pinions, maybe new spur but I do agree finding Heng Long parts may be a challenge if something breaks. Some Assiciated, HPI and Ofna 1/10th scale parts should fit. I looks to be built to take a beating so unless something tragic occurs it should last for a long time. Well hope this helps! Thanks for asking Stan"

So, Stan seems to know what he's talking about. What do you think?

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 11/17/2006 6:37:32 AM   
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I own and Run a HBX Bonzer...
It looks like a Twin dagger but actually is Just a Normal TL-01 Single Motor on road chassis on Twin Dagger Tyres and rims..

All TL-01 Hop ups will fit the Bonzer.
Gearing through to Body posts. there is Very little difference..

The Bonzer isnt as well planed as the Twin Dagger.
They are great stock, but go to mod them and they are too over Geared..

As far as I can Tell, HBX is an Individual Company that has either Bought the rights or Buys Bulk Tamiya Over Stock Spares and re-releases them with their own brand Electronics..
They seem to use a poorer quality plastic then Tamiya.. They have complete Parts support for their Own vehicles and the parts are a whole heap cheaper then Tamiya's.. They even use the same Product codes for most of their parts as Tamiya...


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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 11/17/2006 6:42:32 AM   
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Stay away from chinese knock-off airplanes! lol they don't fly!
Through my experiences with airplanes-- if it looks too good to be true, IT IS!
But hey that's just my honest opinion!

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 11/17/2006 9:58:12 AM   
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I own 5 HBX Bonzers, all in various states of modification. Must add my voice to what Magnat said. These are brilliant little entry level cars . But when you start modifying you start seeing the limitations. My HBX's have convinced many friends and family that RC is an affordable fun hobby. And if only for that, they have paid themselves many times over.

So for those people who knock the " cheap chinese rip offs I can say only this. If you do not like them, then dont buy them. For everybody else out there who is looking to get into the sport without breaking the bank I say you could do a Heck of a lot worse with your $70

PS 5 truck, many many complete novice drivers..... and not one dead truck YET, that has to tell you something.

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 11/17/2006 11:05:23 AM   
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Hah i would never buy those cars have had bad experiences with cheap ones aka smartech what u buy cheap break fast id rather buy Name Brand and not cheap stuff anyways thats what this world is about reverse engeneering take ur idea rip it make it better for less money or in this case Wprst less durable..

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 11/17/2006 1:43:43 PM   
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I bought a Smartech new for a great price and aside from a melted clutch it has held up very well and still runs perfectly after 2 and a half years. it has seen it's share of curb hits and rollovers. IMO if you are gonna buy a smartech there are a few things that need to be replaced right off the bat. The clutch, and the electronics. Those alone makes the car handle much much more better. I even swapped out the engine for a speed boost.

These knockoffs are very attractive to RC and Nitro Newbs who often know nothing about Nitro or RC's in general. thus they have a lot of problems right off the bat, simple things like tuning or checking everything on a RTR before starting they neglect to do.

IMO the cheap knockoffs have developed the stigma that they have for a few reasons,
1. they are bought primarily by newbs who have little experience,
2. Those that have spent waay more on a brand name RC want to insure their investment.

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 11/17/2006 8:19:30 PM   
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I only buy the HBX gear as I know they have aftermarket support.

E-bay boats have to be bought with Extreme Cauition.
They look the same as their clone but the Electrics and prop work is all cheapened with next to no aftermarket support essentially making them good looking toys.

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, review... - 11/17/2006 8:51:33 PM   
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as the saying goes.. u buy cheap, u buy twice

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, review... - 11/17/2006 10:26:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: irishdrifter

as the saying goes.. u buy cheap, u buy twice


Yeah in the end u will end up spending more money than if u would of bought an expensive one

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 11/18/2006 12:47:58 AM   
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I dont know much about Chinese knock-off cars and trucks, but I do know that the Chinese nitro engines such as SH and STS are beginning to make a positive name for them selves. STS engines are really cheap as compared to the Japanese OS and the Italian 'Rossis but can make power that are not too far behind these reputable engines. SH is such a sucessful design for a cheaper engine that it has spawned many derivatives such as LRP, XTM, etc. These engines are what I actually consider mid-grade right now and I personally use an STS D28M in my daily basher monster truck. If I had the the money, I would actually buy an SH derivative engine; they have a positive reputation.

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 11/18/2006 11:52:22 AM   
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How long ago was it that people knocked everything out of Japan? Now they are acknowleged to make some of the best equipment out there?

You may laugh now, but watch the Chinese in a couple of years. These guys are awesome!!

When you buy one of thse cheapies do try to remember what they are in the first place. A CHEAP alternative. Do not expect everything of the best.

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 11/18/2006 10:25:11 PM   
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Well, i don't see where they are going to get just putting big wheels on a copy of another company's onroad car.

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 11/20/2006 5:58:41 PM   
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Thanks for responding everyone! Good discussion, here. I think Boltech has it right, and says it well. I am newbie enough not to have brand loyalty, I've had a Venom Mini Giant, and a Losi Mini LST. The Mini LST is good example of paying for a name brand rig, only to have it sit on a shelf due to poor engineering (diffs). I got sick of spending three hours dissasembing it for every 2 minutes of run time. So what good did it do me to pay full price? I think the point of newbies buying these, and then flaming them later because of poor maintenance is a good one.

So, do any of you pros know what the hell that Mad Truck is supposed to be, or what parts could be used on it?

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 12/2/2006 10:59:44 PM   
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Just got 1 of the Bonzer trucks, Was looking for something cheap to start. Quite impressed so far, I'll update after I spend some more time with it

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 12/3/2006 4:52:54 AM   
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Huh

I think that mad truck looks kinda like a 4wd ST and they just put some larger tires on it and called it a MT. I wounder if they thought about putting smaller tires on it and calling it a on road car yet. Opps may have given them an idea, Ohh well.

Personally I think there a knock off for a reason, the originals are good and they try and make some people think there the original. Some appear to be very similar in design and some are just something they dreamed up in one night, and some of those you can really tell that they did it in a short period of time.

Now I'm not saying that there all bad, but there cheaper for a reason. If your a newb then I wouldnt exactly suggest to get one as they might get a sour taste in there mouth and not be able to get it out. And thats ashame that that happens but it does. Now if you have a very limited budget or you just wont to get a taste of what it's like without spending a whole lot then it's ok. As it's just to see weather you like it or not and if the budg