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Eureka Banshee Build Thread - 12/26/2007 9:13:30 PM   
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OK Guys, need some opinions. I'm ready to start a build thread for a Eureka Banshee. I'll be using an OS AX55 with a Jett Enginerring tuned muffler for motivation. The question I have is, should I install retracts? The build of the model isn't setup for retracts and while installing them in the wing panels will be easy, the nose gear is another story. Room is limited and it looks as if the nose gear when retracted will interfer with the wing. Also setting up the steering looks to be problematic as the servos are installed near the top of the fuselage over the wing making for a tricky steering linkage. I fly from a some what rough grass field and I'm building the model for SPA/sport flying. So are retracts really necessary other than the cool factor? Converting to a tail dragger is out of the question as I want to remain true to the original design. What do you guys think?

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RE: Eureka Banshee Build Thread - 12/26/2007 10:05:20 PM   
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FB,

Take your time, study the plans, and put in the retracts !! Honestly, I think putting in a set of Kraft electrics or Rhom Airs would be the way to go.... To leave the gear down on that plane would be a shame.....

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RE: Eureka Banshee Build Thread - 12/26/2007 11:35:17 PM   
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FB, if your planning on flying SPA I don't think retract's are allowed, but BPA go for it!! they are allowed!! can't wait to see your build thread on this one!

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RE: Eureka Banshee Build Thread - 12/27/2007 12:27:47 AM   
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FB, what JETT muffler are you using on your OS AX55, I here they really put out the power with one!, just got a AX 55 from Santa, I would like to pick one up, thanks ahead of time. Pete

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RE: Eureka Banshee Build Thread - 12/27/2007 2:01:26 AM   
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rv7: I dropped an email to Jett asking that very question. I'll post when I get an answer. I also know that retracts aren't allowed in SPA (just keep'em down if you complete), so that's one of the reasons why I asked the question. If not allowed in competition, why go through all the effort and expense?

Dan: If I go the retract route, I was thinking of getting Spring Airs, which would be better, firewall mount or belly mount? Your thoughts?

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RE: Eureka Banshee Build Thread - 12/27/2007 4:43:24 AM   
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Ummm, Looking forward to the build thread. my thoughts, Use the firewall mount, install retracts, and you can fly both the SPA and BPA with it. The Jett muffler is like the Magic muffler I used to use, just as good as a tuned pipe, less hassle, wider range.

Let's see those photos come...............

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RE: Eureka Banshee Build Thread - 12/27/2007 12:50:20 PM   
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FB, thanks, will be waiting for your reply, I've got the orginal J&J kit of the Banshee 60 & 40 size. maybe after the QF I'll have to pull one out and build. thanks again Pete

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RE: Eureka Banshee Build Thread - 12/27/2007 3:21:35 PM   
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rv7: No answer from Jett yet. J&J made a .40-size Banshee? I thought there was only one size, the .60-size.

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RE: Eureka Banshee Build Thread - 12/27/2007 3:51:30 PM   
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rv7: No answer from Jett yet. J&J made a .40-size Banshee? I thought there was only one size, the .60-size.

FB


Ditto. I never heard of a .40 Banshee. Photos, please?

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RE: Eureka Banshee Build Thread - 12/27/2007 3:53:24 PM   
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BTW, Ethan's Sr. Falcon has the OS .55 with an expansion muffler. You've seen how it pulls verticals with a 12x7, and it isn't even broken in yet. Should be a great engine with an 11x8 or 11x7 3/4

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RE: Eureka Banshee Build Thread - 12/27/2007 3:54:47 PM   
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Yep, they made a 40 size also, not many out there, bought this one about 10 years ago thinking I was getting the 60 size, @ a swap meet, really did not realize it until I got it home. Picked up the 60 size a few years ago.

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RE: Eureka Banshee Build Thread - 12/27/2007 4:09:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WEDJ

Ummm, Looking forward to the build thread. my thoughts, Use the firewall mount, install retracts, and you can fly both the SPA and BPA with it. The Jett muffler is like the Magic muffler I used to use, just as good as a tuned pipe, less hassle, wider range.

Let's see those photos come...............



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My first Deception with Rom-Air gear utilized the firewall mount nose gear. What a PITA to install, maintain and fit everything in the nose that needed to be there.

My later models utilized the Rom-Air belly mount. That was so much easier to deal with that it was almost sinful (Tiporare & Phoenix 8).

Don't be afraid to notch out the front of the wing to clear the nose gear. Just be sure to plan ahead and add a nice plywood spar between the two wing halves. I learned about the spars indirectly from Dave Brown when he was flying actively in competition. He flew his models so much that after a while, the butt glued center section/wrapped with fiberglass cloth and epoxy joints failed over time. Apparently, the extra weight of the plywood and epoxy lent enough longevity to make it worth its weight to Dave. If you're reading, Dave, jump in here and comment, or correct me if I have something wrong.

I just spoke with Dub Jett on the phone while ordering two of his high performance mufflers for my pair of OS .55AX engines. The mufflers that have flanges that fit the TT .46 fit all OS engines in that size range and work perfectly. He did add some valuable information regarding prop selection when using his mufflers. Start with an 11x6 (or less load) when using his mufflers. You should be able to richen the mixture by approximately 3000 rpm off peak with whatever size prop you run. This means that as you richen the mixture off of peak, you should be able to richen the engine to the point of about 3k rpm before the engine "falls off the pipe" (these are my words). If not, you could be in dangerous territory, especially with only a 1k rpm richening until it "falls off the pipe". All of this means that when using his Jett muffler, the recommended 12" props of any pitch are simply out of the question. I'm not including 12x4 props for 3D because this muffler is not desirable for 3D usage, which is attributable to its "pipiness" (again, my words, not Dub's). Hopefully, if I've made an error, either Bob Brassell or Dub Jett will jump in and set us straight.

I too am building a Banshee, but I have no reservations about doing away with the nose gear retract. Once in the air with the gear up, no one will know the difference at all. I'm also going with seperate aileron servos in each wing panel. What the hey??? <G>


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RE: Eureka Banshee Build Thread - 12/27/2007 4:25:56 PM   
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As far as the 40 size banshee kit it has been sold but I emailed him hope to get pic's soon I post them. Pete

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RE: Eureka Banshee Build Thread - 12/27/2007 8:55:34 PM   
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Bird,

As someone said earlier, it is easier to maintain a belly mounted nosegear than a firewall mounted nosegear. The firewall mount will be inherently stronger but the belly mount will make it easier to setup and maintain the retracts. Do not worry if you have to make a cavity in the front of the wing between the mounting dowels for the nose wheel. I remember the first Super Kaos I built and I did not account for the nose wheel correctly. What a mess... I had to install these 1" main wheels just to drop down the height of the main gear so the plane could take off. If I had made a cavity (which I later did) non of that would have been a problem. I'll see if I can't find a picture of the nose gear cavity. Done properly you will not endanger the wing mounting dowels. I usually do not use front wing dowels anymore as it is much easier to install vertical doweling and blind nuts than to use the front dowels.


BTW.. use a 60..... and a pipe.... BALLISTIC PLANES CALL FOR BALLISTIC ENGINES !!!!


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RE: Eureka Banshee Build Thread - 12/27/2007 10:41:15 PM   
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Dan & Ed: What's the big difference between firewall and belly mount for the nose gear? Wouldn't the firewall mount give you a little more room?

quote:

I just spoke with Dub Jett on the phone while ordering two of his high performance mufflers for my pair of OS .55AX engines. The mufflers that have flanges that fit the TT .46 fit all OS engines in that size range and work perfectly. He did add some valuable information regarding prop selection when using his mufflers. Start with an 11x6 (or less load) when using his mufflers. You should be able to richen the mixture by approximately 3000 rpm off peak with whatever size prop you run. This means that as you richen the mixture off of peak, you should be able to richen the engine to the point of about 3k rpm before the engine "falls off the pipe" (these are my words). If not, you could be in dangerous territory, especially with only a 1k rpm richening until it "falls off the pipe". All of this means that when using his Jett muffler, the recommended 12" props of any pitch are simply out of the question. I'm not including 12x4 props for 3D because this muffler is not desirable for 3D usage, which is attributable to its "pipiness" (again, my words, not Dub's). Hopefully, if I've made an error, either Bob Brassell or Dub Jett will jump in and set