T. Bob

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Like I said before

T. Bob

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I can’t believe some of you guys either your 12 years old or you guys have some real mental disorder.

I started this tread on to WARN you guys of my own personal first hand experences.

First I get accused of some how faking the accident by hiding something in the picture.

Second I was accused that my reinforcement of there landing gear did something

Third someone said that profiles are inferior and you should accept that they just fall apart.

Fourth I’m being accused of being nuts not trying to get reimbursed, for a plane I don’t want, from OMP.

And now I have an axe to grind.

You guys are something else. Some of us on this site just speak in fact and are trying to help. The other guys are either 12 years old or nerdowells who live in their mom’s basement and never kissed a real live girl. And your sister doesn’t count, or you Aunt May.

Who are you?

XJet

My Katana 70 V2 cost NZ$200 (that's actually US$130) including freight, delivered to my door (purchased through an NZ company but delivered direct from China).

The Katana 46 price is NZ$113 (that's US$73), purchased from a local NZ hobby store and (again) delivered to my door from stock held here in NZ.

I know now the ex-factory price for the Kats and most of the other popular Chinese-built ARFs and they are *very* low! So low in fact that I think most people would be very surprised indeed.

If OMP aren't buying for these prices then they ought to re-evaluate their Chinese connections :-)

However, as I said, OMP seem to be selling their products at a price which is what the market will bear -- and that's a perfectly acceptable business model. The fact that people are happy to pay that price and (most) feel that they're getting value for money is all that matters in the end.

In a capitalist country you can be sure that if someone can do it better and charge less, they will. I expect there'll be a significant growth in the number of ARF vendors in the coming year or two but OMP is smart insomuch as they're specialising in the 3D marketplace so can still charge a premium for their more specialist offerings.

It's good to see a company making a long-term success in the face of lots of new entrants who sell solely on price.

Good on ya OMP.

Now just stop gouging your international customers for freight and start answering your emails -- then even I would be happy :-)

budshobby

Most of the guys making ridiculous accusations are probably friends of OMP(I suspect). Personally I found Mike to be a nice and knowledgeable guy. As a bystander who doesn't have an ax to grind, I find it amusing people keep fanning the fire and then blame others for defending themselves.

This guy had a wing fail in flight for no apparent reason, along with poor covering and other faults. He comes on to this forum and post a few pictures, not even asking for a free replacement. If you are unbiased, you would see that he obviously has no hidden agenda. The only reason he kept going is because friends of OMP refuses to accept the truth and kept trying to make excuses and discredit him. What is the guy suppose to do? Say that the crash did not happen? Or say it crashed because he did something wrong? Facts are facts. The wing did fail. The covering is Chinacote and sucks. He is making highly valid points.

If people stop making excuses for the poor quality of the Fusion plane this thread would have stopped long ago.

mrbigg

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A person's character goes along way. Have you ever read any of T. Bob's other posts? I think that's why he's getting a bunch of static. Just my opinion which don't mean much. Just ask the wife.[sm=lol.gif]

STLPilot

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Do you know the price of storage in the USA? Do you know the price of advertisements in magazines in the USA? How about the payrate/payroll for employees in the USA? Do you know what shipping costs are to USA from China? Do you know the costs of loaning a factory $50k-$75k to build your planes for 6 months? Do you know the costs of operations in the USA? Do you know the costs of marketing in the USA? And then there are the unexpected costs, lots of them.

I think people would be rather surprised what it costs to run a business on top of building ARF's and then add that into your equation. Also if they are so cheap at the factory, then why don't you just try going to them direct to buy them?

T. Bob

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budshobby

Thanks

RC MANIAC119

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Look, T-Bob.........I was going to go into this long explaination... to once again try to explain how you're being just a tad BULLHEADED about this. Then I realized that you don't want to be satisfied........you don't want OMP to make things right........You want to trash a product, and a company! So be it...................

I think you should RE-READ, and follow the advise on YOUR signature...............

STOP BEING STUCK ON STUPID!!!!!

T. Bob

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Thanks RC MANIAC119 for making my point.

PaulSwany

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I'm a competitor of OMP and still feel 'ol T. Bob never gave them a fair shake. Product is never going to be 100% from any vendor. The thing that makes the difference is how they handle it. Mike has made repeated attempts and statisfing T. Bob's needs, but he is un-satisfiable. He just want's to give a "warning"....

T. Bob - The fusion is a great flying plane. I can't for the life of me figure out why you don't want want another one. Unless of course you just don't like to fly profile planes... You're "warning" may as well go out for every vendor that imports anything from China.... I'm not asking you to accept what you feel is a defect, just give the guy that sold it to you a chance to make it right...

novabill

Well said Pauly,

T. Bob,

I too am a competitor of OMP. I havent seen anyone acting like a 12 year old here. All I have seen is a company trying to make good on a bad situation. Why won't you open a dialogue with them? Why won't you give them a chance to do right? I think these are the questions unanswered that are causing the OMP supporters to come to their defense. Just think about that for a moment.

This willingness to satisfy you isn't something you would find the CEO of Great planes or Hangar 9 attempting. Nope, they would request you send the carnage back and after close inspection, they would tell you that 2 months of exessive vibration from an out of tune engine caused your fusion failure and the KAT failure was caused by using an exacto to trim the covering at the fuse joint or that you had a worn out servo arm that caused flutter. I'm not saying this is what happened, but I have seen these responses from the larger companies.

Dude, you should have gotten your replacement plane and just sold it.



Budshobby,

I didn't know you were an expert in CHINESE SWEAT SHOPS. I believe Chris Hinson (Extreme Flight RC) would disagree with you as I do. Everyone thinks that these people are underpaid and treated like slaves. That couldn't be farther from the truth. These people are free to work where they want and there is always a long list of workers (at our factory) who are waiting for an opportunity to work in the Model factories. We supply appartments for our workers and their families as well as meals and health insurance. If I'm not mistaken, our factory is the norm and not the exception in this department.

As far as the Chinacote issue, I honestly believe it comes down to the application of the material. Yes, it's lighter and not as easy to work with, but I have used it with success in models I have personally covered. My advice it to take a little extra time to seal the seams securely on your next Chinacote arf and you will be pleased. Is it as good as Ultracote???? Heck no, but it's not that bad.



XJet,

Although I rarely agree with what Dion has to say, he hit the nail on the head. I know the company you were referring to in NZ and I also know what the cost of a KAT 40 is. How they do it is beyond me, but I do know this. I will always pay a little more to get alot more in terms of product support and customer service. OMP is loyal to their customers and that's why their customers are loyal to them.


Sorry for the longwinded reply, and I hope I haven't stepped on anyone's toes.

budshobby

I don't agree with you on GP or H9's costomer service. Of course they won't have their CEO contacting you or personally answering forum questions, that goes with the territory of being a multi-million dollar company. But they DO sell good quality products at competitive prices. My experiences with GP has been generally positive. Sure they don't give as much personal support, but most of the time people buy their products at the LHS, so the shipping of damaged product issue you mentioned is mostly irrelevent. The LHS mostly acts as their support person and most of the time my LHS has been quite helpful.

As for sweat shops, the work conditions Chinese or any other Asian workers have while getting paid about $100 a month would be considered sweat shop here in the states. If you don't believe me just watch some documentaries on your local PBS. I don't believe I am misusing the word here. In fact I have great respect for the job EF is doing. They make great products and don't cut any corners in construction, using Dubro hardware, Ultracote and everything.

RC MANIAC119

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Oh man......Don't you guys realize that this is exactly what T-Bob wants??

He went out of his way to trash a company and it's product......just to get this exact dialogue started, so he can chime in and say how he paid too much for inferior products!!!

I agree with every opinion that has been posted here....EXCEPT T-BOB'S!!!! So, lets stop feeding this unhappy individual and stop this thread.................

NUFF SAID[sm=thumbs_down.gif]

novabill

Agreed..........

grizzly59

I guess as consumers we can never just come out and say something is junk. Everybody in this hobby has read numerous posts on new planes coming out and generating all kinds of excitement only to read shortly after that engines are breaking off firewalls, wings are folding, stabs are falling off etc. For the most part the pilot is always accused of being in error. Pretty soon some companies admit a problem and will generate instructions on how you can you fix and how to do it, others will say new parts are coming so don't fly. Sometimes they send a new plane. Everybody cheers these companies for being honest. When I spend hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars on planes and equipment I don't want to be the test flyer. Some guys pay others to put models together. That money is lost. Servos are destroyed. Engines are destroyed. That money is lost. Replacing a plane does not make me happy. I would want my money back to replace everything else I lose in a crash due to a faulty design. Does any company test fly their products and wring them out and have quality control in the manufacturing process????????? We need more Ralph Naders.

PaulSwany

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I think you need to give the old kitting/arf bussiness a try Mr. Hoosier06.... Sounds like you've got all the bases covered..

grizzly59

Paul,

Not looking for a new job and anyway I am retired. I think you guys that do that stuff are geniuses and I admire you all for your efforts. If it were not for ready mades I certainly would not be enjoying flying as a hobby especially with the time I have to do it. I do no like to build kits. I do not have the skills or patience. I just feel that planes should be tested is all.

Maybe companies ought to send TBOB a plane to test. Not a big deal is it? You all know what 3D is. I have learned to strengthen firewalls and look for possible weaknesses in build and design before I fly a plane I put together. But wouldn't it be nice if we got one and just put it together and it held up?

Right now I am flying two planes that were built by professionals. I sold all my ARF's and saved a few bucks to do this but I am happy. I have a few smaller ARF planes that I mess with and accept them as throw aways. I will in the future get another ARF for sure. Just hope I pick a good one.

Oh another thing I learned. Beware of any ARF manufacturer that brags that their planes are light. A wing or an engine is gonna fall off and the gear will drop on the first landing.

Matt

T. Bob

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I did learn something from OMP and their profile planes.

#1 they hover very very easily.

#2 They fall apart very very easily.

Thanks Guys

fun_fly_3D

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looks like t bobs engine, servos, battery etc is all alright. he wouldn't even be out an airplane if he stopped being a dumb@$$! read the damn warrienties that come with your airplanes. Mike is going way out of his way to satisfy an unhappy customer. in the warrenty it says the parts are guarenteed free from defects at the time the box is opened. He said himself he flew the plane for two months and then this happened. so Mike could claim that the pilot is at fault not him and be done with it. instead he has offered to replace the airframe and work with him. All t Bob has to do is give the guy a chance. but I guess he proves my point that some people just need something to piss and moan about! And I believe that GP and Horizon have their planes made in China too. the only reason they use monocote is because the make it themselves and ship it over to China to have it applied. Also, do you see anyone from GP or Horizon routinelty come on here and try to make good with their customer? NO! but you do see paul swany, the manufacturer of the MOJO on here (which is why I would buy another mojo if something happened to mine.) and you see Nova Bill from copperheadand MIKE PIKENTON from OMP. HE IS STILL ON HERE WITH HIS HAND EXTENDED AFTER GETTING DRUG THROUGH THE GARBAGE BY GARBAGE!! that aught to tell you something!

Brian

fun_fly_3D

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second paragraph you said you have learned to strenghten firewalls and other weak points. THAT IS EXACTLY ALL T BOB NEEDED TO DO!! OmP could not do it because they send the plane all unassembled. it is up to the builder to strenghten the plane as he sees fit. in Tbobs pic of his katana i did not see flying wires(i don't use them but nor do I overspeed airplanes on a regular basis) or at the very least triangle stock. (it takes 5-10 minutes extra to put on and you will find this on all my planes.) i'm just waiting for good weather so i can shoot some video of me putting my buddies stock Katana through all the very destructive manuevers including but not limited too: full throttle terminators (wouldn't do this normally but he says he has had his monies worth of fun already and anything else is icing on the cake) fullthrottle blenders and other sharp fast high stress manuevers and it living through it. then we will take the camera over every inch of the airplane to show that it is indeed stock.

T. Bob

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I guess my biggest complaint would be beside some of you guys is the price. I mean $190.00 for a PROFILE. If the plane was 80 bucks and it went in, so be it, two months of fun for a 80 bucks.
But $190.00 for a profile?
No fiberglass cowl, no fiberglass wheel pants, no canopy and yes no fuselage.
Boy that seems like a lot of money to me and to also fall apart in two months.

Let see the competition of 3D planes under $200.00.
Banchee
UCD 90 size
UCD 46 size
Showtime
Funtana X 50
Fliton Extra 330

These planes have fiberglass cowls and pants, canopies, no chinacote and some even have carbon fiber wing tubes and gear.
But the OMP Fusion is worth $190.00?
I’m not so sure.

fun_fly_3D

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can't speak for the other ones, but the UCD's have huge flutter issues and the gear pull out almost every landing. they don't preform very well either. Hence the nickname u-can't-do 3d. not bad planes but they too have their flaws. showtime is 209 and comes out prett heavy. good preformance though. Hey if those work better for you, more power to ya. have fun. buy them and let us know what you think. maybe profiles are just not for you. profiles are made light and fly light at the expense of some structural integrity, but they are great at what they are made to do. hang out. they are not pylon racers. they are made to be flown low, slow and straight up and down. Most guys in this forum like them, but there are those who don't. that is just a fact you have to except. you also have to compare profiles to profiles because there is nothing else compairable to them. you can also fix them easier than fatties. nuff said. Good luck to you in what ever you choose, but i think you do owe Mike a thank you for the offer. (I know you don't think you owe him an apology for spitting in his face publicly, but a thanks for the offer would be nice. just acknowledge his offer and that he did his part. please)

Brian out.

seanychen

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My OMP 80" Edge ARF suffered similar fate. During a gentle cross wind landing, the nose went parallel to the wheels' path, while the rest of fuselage bent toward the wind. As you can tell from the picture, there is not very much structure along the break. Only foam, foam, soft balsa, weak thin ply, and more foam.

Well, I did repair it by glassing the portion below the wing.

There is a price to pay for a light design: low life-expectancy-to-agressiveness ratio.

AFSalmon

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For the record all OMP planes and ARFs are tested very hard by yours truly as well as several other test pilots who frequent this forum. All of which by the way are Pro Bros who trust me know how to fly extremely well. On a side note in my opinion though, given the power we have on today's profiles, if you do a WOT blender, you deserve to have your plane explode. I certainly do not recommend this type stress with any plane unless you have personally built it for that level of stress. As far as Chinakote is concerned would you believe there are probably over 50 types of covering used in China? We have tested many types and the covering on the Fusions and V2 Kats is very good covering and comparable to Ultracoat. As with all ARFs it is a good idea to check the covering and make sure there are no loose ends. Once fuel or oil get into the backside, there is no way it will go back down. Regardless of ARF brand I always go over the covering to make sure all seams and ends are secure. This includes even QQ Somenzini Yaks which I also have. Even that Ultracoat comes off right from the factory. I would also agree with STLPilot comments and the other vendors like Paul and Wiliam with regards to what it takes to bring to market a product. Anyone who thinks we make money at this is welcome to try their hand. It is truly a labor of love and that's why we all still have full time day jobs.

IowaSilvia

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IT'S a profile not a fatty man. Who wants all them annoying things hangin on their plane. They just add weight and make for more things to break.

If you would stop your belly aching and fix the plane, you could have been back flying it. I've fixed stuff tons worse. Fix and forget man.