guille2006

Guys, I'm looking for a scan of an advertisement published on that magazine in the far away 1992...
The cover had an red and yellow Strega Racer landing since most of the number was dedicated to Madera Unlimited Races of that year.
The advertisement I'm looking for should be between page 15 to 30; black and white 3 view of an airplane called Ellipse... I NEED THAT SCANNED!!!
Please, can anybody send it?
If any of you has any photo of that plane, or some other view, I'll be pleased to receive it too.
Thanks on advance; Guille

PS; a good photo is OK too.

patternwannabee

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I don't have MAN from 1992, but I have some scanned articles. Are you referring to the Elliptic-40 by Alex Bouknight?

guille2006

Thanks for your answer...
May be that is the plane.
The advertisement I'm looking for was B&W drawing and showed a 3 views of a very elegant airplane.
Can you send anyway? I'll let you know if that was it...
Thanks again
G.

patternwannabee

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Here is the scan:

Lone Star Charles

That's one really smooth design. I Googled the name and discovered that Lazer-Works offers a parts package for it.

guille2006

Hey patternwannabee; THANKS YOU VERY MUCH for the article; as far as I remember that was the plane I'm looking for. The design is quite inspiring and cool too!!!!!!!!!!!!
Could have been also a bigger model of that?
Thanks again;
Guille

Gray Beard

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I think I have seen the plans for that plane in the M.A.N. plans section. If so you can build it to any size you like.

guille2006

Gray Beard; you're rigth!!
Actually I'm currently designing my own planes and I feel this particular one as the capital stone of the design philosophy I always desired to follow for my designs... you'll see soon!!!! I get so shocked of its outlines and idea that today, 20 years after getting that magazine on my hands, I still remember where the advertisement was. Unfortunately that magazine is still in Argentina (together with most of my library) and none ca reach it...
Now, thanks to RCU and our friend patternwanabee, I've got that feeling again, yes M.A.N.!!!!!!

patternwannabee

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Hi Guille,

I'm happy you found the article useful. I also thought this design to be very cool.
Without having purchased the plan itself, I traced the magazine scan in a Cad program. I'm attaching the PDFs here:

If you would like the DXF files (for use with your CAD program), PM me and I'll send you those.
The tracings are not perfect, but you could probably play around with them, resize them, to get a better idea of which engine fits, tank size, etc.

Interesting thing about this wing... It looks like it's not truly elliptical, but that each wing panel is made up of 2 sections of different tapers. The elliptical planform is created by rounding out the leading and trailing edges with most of the taper occurring at the wingtips. You could possibly even achieve this elliptical shape using foam cores.

If you do a design based on this plane, please let us know. I certainly would be interested to see.

Lone Star Charles

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Gray Beard

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When MAN used to print up there plans section once a year I always cut and saved those and still have a few of them on hand. When I have nothing better to do I pull one out and just look at the different planes you can build that no one has ever seen at the field before. I just have to laugh when people see one of my new planes and ask me who makes it.
I'm almost ready to maiden my summer build and I just know someone is going to ask what it is and who makes them. Just so many cool planes from days gone by people know nothing about.

guille2006

... And I'll give a good example of that: On a 1993 issue (with a Thunderbirds T-33 almost crashing on cover) there is a plan for building a bipe that I'm sure will beat ANY extra, sukhoi, sbach, beast, etc. not only in aerobatics but specially on elegance and design. The plan pointed a Supertigre 2500 and for completing the plane you needed a extra 260 cowl and transparent cockpit. There was a flight report too, as far as I remember...

I think that todays ARF invasion (thanks to massive chinesse industry and other) is not only killing the old creative modelism, but also is killing many good designs (and designers) whose planes will not see the light 'cause is cheaper and quicker to go towerhobbies. Just a thought... Am I right? It's an idea that comes of watching the fileds; full of pilots barely able to start an 2str. engine... mmm

Gray Beard

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As far as you go I agree but one things ARFs have done is bring way more RC pilots into the hobby. Not builders or designers, that part of the hobby was killed by the ARF but pilots. And it has kept a lot of the older pilots in the hobby too that were once builders. I'm heading out to fly in a while and I will be the only one at the field with a plane that he built, all others well be ARFs but there will be a lot of them.
The other thing will be the size of the ARFs. Where I fly gas is king and the DLE 30 is number one. About 1/4th of the planes will be 40%. Funny thing is my old kit built Extra with a YS 1.20 engine is almost the same size plane as the others 30cc size and it flies better and has been around sense 1989. No ARF out there is over two years old. It was considered a 60 size plane back in the day.
Makes no difference though, I will have a certain amount of pride in what I fly but I don't have anymore fun with my planes then the rest of the guys.
This will now turn into an ARF bashing thread if things go as normal for RCU but they have done a wonderful job in getting and keeping more pilots in the hobby.
I haven't designed my own planes in decades and would never do it again, no reason to, there are more old plans on the market then I could ever want to build. I just bought a new set of plans from MAN that are the first set that were CAD drawn so people are still designing and MAN is still buying designs.
Makes no difference to me if the guys I fly with are building there own or not. It's just a fun hobby and gets me out of the house and building keeps me out of the strip clubs and casinos. Keeps my wife happy too.

turbo.gst

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I got to fly a friends Elliptic 40, it was a wonderful flyer. I instantly put it on my must have list, but I failed to order the plans. Unfortunately, MAN no longer offers the plan. I asked my friend and he no longer has the plans. I am not going to let that keep me from building it, but it would be a lot easier with full sized plans. I have tried to send a scan of the article( my scan-not the one in this thread) to get it enlarged, but it needs to be a better quality scan for the printer to work his magic. It is a truly wonderful flyer that needs to live on!

Gray Beard

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Plans number FSP03862 M.A.N. Plans is now Airage and they have a web site. 888-235-2021

turbo.gst

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Thanks Gray Beard! I called to see if available, they are going to have to dig a little further to try to find it. I really hope they can find it. I'll post if they come thru.....

turbo.gst

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Got the call today from Airage. The Elliptic 40 is no longer available..... Bummer!