HPI have got to be kidding...a rear wheel drive touring car!?
02-06-2013, 08:00 AM
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RE: HPI have got to be kidding...a rear wheel drive touring car!?
One it's a pan car. Now, a different style of pan car with no visible suspension, but a pan car nonetheless.
Two, you guys are showing pics of two different cars. The right side battery with rubber is the TC10, which aside from the motor location, isn't that much different than a 4wd belt tourer, layout wise. It does look like it's going to be heavily weight biased to the right though, unless they put lead in the ESC and receiver.
The foam tires and central battery is the TC12.
Two, you guys are showing pics of two different cars. The right side battery with rubber is the TC10, which aside from the motor location, isn't that much different than a 4wd belt tourer, layout wise. It does look like it's going to be heavily weight biased to the right though, unless they put lead in the ESC and receiver.
The foam tires and central battery is the TC12.
02-06-2013, 08:01 AM
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RE: HPI have got to be kidding...a rear wheel drive touring car!?
ORIGINAL: SyCo_VeNoM
but it has no suspension(wel none able to be seen from any pics of diff angles, and the plate looks one piece) so it doesn't duplicate a 1:1 car very well as I can't think of one that hasn't had shocks on it (well ok maybe a model T and even that I'm not sure about). Without any suspention to tune I doubt it will work very well at all even their F1 racer had a shock setup like a traditional pan car
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Just to play Devil's Advocate, it may be more realistic for those who are trying to duplicate a 1:1 car in minature. Plus there may be some people who would like the challenge of RWD vs AWD based on how a RWD car reflects a very common layout of traditional 1:1 cars.
I've seen a similar kind of thinking with regards to slotcars. Many of the purists will not use magnet equipped cars. Sure, the performance is better with the magnets, and the challenge is up for debate (although I say the magnet cars hold the track very well making it easier for the less skilled drivers).
So while there may be a niche market for this HPI car, I would suspect it is small based on the overwhelming thirst for performance I see in RCU posts.
Just to play Devil's Advocate, it may be more realistic for those who are trying to duplicate a 1:1 car in minature. Plus there may be some people who would like the challenge of RWD vs AWD based on how a RWD car reflects a very common layout of traditional 1:1 cars.
I've seen a similar kind of thinking with regards to slotcars. Many of the purists will not use magnet equipped cars. Sure, the performance is better with the magnets, and the challenge is up for debate (although I say the magnet cars hold the track very well making it easier for the less skilled drivers).
So while there may be a niche market for this HPI car, I would suspect it is small based on the overwhelming thirst for performance I see in RCU posts.
but it looks like your are right in that the rear cannot flex at all. On most pan cars, the whole rear axl/motor mount can flex in relation to the main chassis and often has a single shock up top between the axle and main chassis. I see no flex point here.
I dont see this car handling well except for on a carpet track or the worlds cleanest parking lot.
02-06-2013, 08:08 AM
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One it's a pan car. Now, a different style of pan car with no visible suspension, but a pan car nonetheless.
Two, you guys are showing pics of two different cars. The right side battery with rubber is the TC10, which aside from the motor location, isn't that much different than a 4wd belt tourer, layout wise. It does look like it's going to be heavily weight biased to the right though, unless they put lead in the ESC and receiver. The foam tires and central battery is the TC12.
One it's a pan car. Now, a different style of pan car with no visible suspension, but a pan car nonetheless.
Two, you guys are showing pics of two different cars. The right side battery with rubber is the TC10, which aside from the motor location, isn't that much different than a 4wd belt tourer, layout wise. It does look like it's going to be heavily weight biased to the right though, unless they put lead in the ESC and receiver.
The foam tires and central battery is the TC12.
seems the TC2 was just a chopped version of the 10 as the layout looks pretty much identical.
nitrosportsandrunner I know my post on shocks was in reference to Argess playing devils advocate to it trying to be more like a 1:1 car
I know pan cars only have one shock which is why when I mentioned the F1 racers shock setup I didn't use plural for shock 
If this is the best HPI could come up with I don't forsee them lasting much longer as a company compared to what vaterra has in its line up (there's a few of them that I saw pics of that are piquing my interest)
02-06-2013, 08:16 AM
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RE: HPI have got to be kidding...a rear wheel drive touring car!?
yeh, that Vaterra lineup is pretty sweet.
And if the quality is at least as good as the ECX line then they should be worth the money.
The twin hammers (still think its a dumb name) is really cool looking and should be fun to drive.
I still wanna see a true, FR onroad car!
And if the quality is at least as good as the ECX line then they should be worth the money.
The twin hammers (still think its a dumb name) is really cool looking and should be fun to drive.
I still wanna see a true, FR onroad car!
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RE: HPI have got to be kidding...a rear wheel drive touring car!?
It may have front suspension as it looks like some type of rearward facing a-arm is installed forward of each front wheel. Plus, those circular parts just inboard of the wheels may be spring retainers.
As mentioned above, the whole rear section may be hinged just forward of the motor, but I can't tell from the picture.
Perhaps everyone expects too much and this is merely a $69 special aimed at very young members of the junior public.
By the way, I'm not terribly famialiar with electric vehicles, but isn't that a brushed motor? I see only two wires going to it. If so, that would also make it a fairly cheap "toy", would it not?
As mentioned above, the whole rear section may be hinged just forward of the motor, but I can't tell from the picture.
Perhaps everyone expects too much and this is merely a $69 special aimed at very young members of the junior public.
By the way, I'm not terribly famialiar with electric vehicles, but isn't that a brushed motor? I see only two wires going to it. If so, that would also make it a fairly cheap "toy", would it not?
02-06-2013, 09:02 AM
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RE: HPI have got to be kidding...a rear wheel drive touring car!?
I just noticed the links on the TC10. They look similar to the new Tamiya RM-01, but without the center shock.
And I found a slightly better pic of the TC12, same layout in the back.
And I found a slightly better pic of the TC12, same layout in the back.
02-06-2013, 09:10 AM
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ORIGINAL: Argess
It may have front suspension as it looks like some type of rearward facing a-arm is installed forward of each front wheel. Plus, those circular parts just inboard of the wheels may be spring retainers.
As mentioned above, the whole rear section may be hinged just forward of the motor, but I can't tell from the picture.
Perhaps everyone expects too much and this is merely a $69 special aimed at very young members of the junior public.
By the way, I'm not terribly famialiar with electric vehicles, but isn't that a brushed motor? I see only two wires going to it. If so, that would also make it a fairly cheap ''toy'', would it not?
It may have front suspension as it looks like some type of rearward facing a-arm is installed forward of each front wheel. Plus, those circular parts just inboard of the wheels may be spring retainers.
As mentioned above, the whole rear section may be hinged just forward of the motor, but I can't tell from the picture.
Perhaps everyone expects too much and this is merely a $69 special aimed at very young members of the junior public.
By the way, I'm not terribly famialiar with electric vehicles, but isn't that a brushed motor? I see only two wires going to it. If so, that would also make it a fairly cheap ''toy'', would it not?
as for the rear being hinged that is all well and dandy as it should be but there is no shock or spring so a hinge there would do absolutely nothing.
A RWD RC can handle pretty decently if done right, this judging from the pics, and based on HPI's recent track record probably isn't.
02-06-2013, 09:33 AM
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RE: HPI have got to be kidding...a rear wheel drive touring car!?
I just don't get what this adds to HPI's lineup and how they think in any way that such a basic car is good for their image in the hobby. Just a left field move if you ask me, they need to make something really good and quickly, hell, let Hobao make all the new cars for 2013, please?
02-06-2013, 09:59 AM
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RE: HPI have got to be kidding...a rear wheel drive touring car!?
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as for the rear being hinged that is all well and dandy as it should be but there is no shock or spring so a hinge there would do absolutely nothing.
as for the rear being hinged that is all well and dandy as it should be but there is no shock or spring so a hinge there would do absolutely nothing.
At any rate, as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, the front doesn't look very sophisticated, or at least the steering mechanicsm doesn't. Wether HPI is looking at another product for the youngsters or not, I can't believe this will be an expensive vehicle. If it really is cheap, (and by that I mean way less than the $175 vehicle you mentioned) it could merely be a strategy of moving more quantity at a smaller profit per vehicle.
Seems to me manufacturing an inexpensive "kids" car might not be a bad idea in these economic times, but I'd say they better start stocking shelves in department stores if they want that to work.
02-06-2013, 10:04 AM
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RE: HPI have got to be kidding...a rear wheel drive touring car!?
ORIGINAL: Argess
Can't remember now if it was the Mini-Z or Xmods, or if it were stock, or an option, but in the case I'm thinking of, the hinge was the spring. Not really a hinge, but a flexible piece of plastic. Seems to me it was like sheet teflon.
At any rate, as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, the front doesn't look very sophisticated, or at least the steering mechanicsm doesn't. Wether HPI is looking at another product for the youngsters or not, I can't believe this will be an expensive vehicle. If it really is cheap, (and by that I mean way less than the $175 vehicle you mentioned) it could merely be a strategy of moving more quantity at a smaller profit per vehicle.
Seems to me manufacturing an inexpensive ''kids'' car might not be a bad idea in these economic times, but I'd say they better start stocking shelves in department stores if they want that to work.
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as for the rear being hinged that is all well and dandy as it should be but there is no shock or spring so a hinge there would do absolutely nothing.
as for the rear being hinged that is all well and dandy as it should be but there is no shock or spring so a hinge there would do absolutely nothing.
At any rate, as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, the front doesn't look very sophisticated, or at least the steering mechanicsm doesn't. Wether HPI is looking at another product for the youngsters or not, I can't believe this will be an expensive vehicle. If it really is cheap, (and by that I mean way less than the $175 vehicle you mentioned) it could merely be a strategy of moving more quantity at a smaller profit per vehicle.
Seems to me manufacturing an inexpensive ''kids'' car might not be a bad idea in these economic times, but I'd say they better start stocking shelves in department stores if they want that to work.
02-06-2013, 10:38 AM
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ORIGINAL: Argess
Can't remember now if it was the Mini-Z or Xmods, or if it were stock, or an option, but in the case I'm thinking of, the hinge was the spring. Not really a hinge, but a flexible piece of plastic. Seems to me it was like sheet teflon.
At any rate, as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, the front doesn't look very sophisticated, or at least the steering mechanicsm doesn't. Wether HPI is looking at another product for the youngsters or not, I can't believe this will be an expensive vehicle. If it really is cheap, (and by that I mean way less than the $175 vehicle you mentioned) it could merely be a strategy of moving more quantity at a smaller profit per vehicle.
Seems to me manufacturing an inexpensive ''kids'' car might not be a bad idea in these economic times, but I'd say they better start stocking shelves in department stores if they want that to work.
ORIGINAL: SyCo_VeNoM
as for the rear being hinged that is all well and dandy as it should be but there is no shock or spring so a hinge there would do absolutely nothing.
as for the rear being hinged that is all well and dandy as it should be but there is no shock or spring so a hinge there would do absolutely nothing.
At any rate, as someone mentioned earlier in the thread, the front doesn't look very sophisticated, or at least the steering mechanicsm doesn't. Wether HPI is looking at another product for the youngsters or not, I can't believe this will be an expensive vehicle. If it really is cheap, (and by that I mean way less than the $175 vehicle you mentioned) it could merely be a strategy of moving more quantity at a smaller profit per vehicle.
Seems to me manufacturing an inexpensive ''kids'' car might not be a bad idea in these economic times, but I'd say they better start stocking shelves in department stores if they want that to work.
02-06-2013, 10:46 AM
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ORIGINAL: Argess
It may have front suspension as it looks like some type of rearward facing a-arm is installed forward of each front wheel. Plus, those circular parts just inboard of the wheels may be spring retainers.
As mentioned above, the whole rear section may be hinged just forward of the motor, but I can't tell from the picture.
Perhaps everyone expects too much and this is merely a $69 special aimed at very young members of the junior public.
By the way, I'm not terribly famialiar with electric vehicles, but isn't that a brushed motor? I see only two wires going to it. If so, that would also make it a fairly cheap ''toy'', would it not?
It may have front suspension as it looks like some type of rearward facing a-arm is installed forward of each front wheel. Plus, those circular parts just inboard of the wheels may be spring retainers.
As mentioned above, the whole rear section may be hinged just forward of the motor, but I can't tell from the picture.
Perhaps everyone expects too much and this is merely a $69 special aimed at very young members of the junior public.
By the way, I'm not terribly famialiar with electric vehicles, but isn't that a brushed motor? I see only two wires going to it. If so, that would also make it a fairly cheap ''toy'', would it not?
If that is the price, then maybe not to bad. Still, got get newbs into the hobby with such a car isnt good. Yes, the electronics are fine, but getting newbs into the hobby with a car that will handle like crap isnt the best start.
Its not that a pan car cant be fun to drive, but it take far greater skill than a 4wd car. Especially if its on a unprepared paved surface.
02-06-2013, 10:58 AM
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Hey guys.... that $69 was hypothetical to make a point. All I'm saying is if it looks cheap (and it does) then maybe it will sell cheap. This means parents are more willing/able to buy it for their kids. All this because it's possible someone at HPI wanted to pursue high volume sales with a small profit per unit vs selling lower volume with a large mark-up in an effort to increase profit in these economic times. I was only speculating about the car, as are most of the contributors to this thread.
Sorry to confuse things by throwing out a "made-up" price. I did a Google Search, but didn't find anything. I wanted to see what the price is expected to be, but no luck.
Sorry to confuse things by throwing out a "made-up" price. I did a Google Search, but didn't find anything. I wanted to see what the price is expected to be, but no luck.
02-06-2013, 11:13 AM
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ORIGINAL: Argess
Hey guys.... that $69 was hypothetical to make a point. All I'm saying is if it looks cheap (and it does) then maybe it will sell cheap. This means parents are more willing/able to buy it for their kids. All this because it's possible someone at HPI wanted to pursue high volume sales with a small profit per unit vs selling lower volume with a large mark-up in an effort to increase profit in these economic times. I was only speculating about the car, as are most of the contributors to this thread.
Sorry to confuse things by throwing out a ''made-up'' price. I did a Google Search, but didn't find anything. I wanted to see what the price is expected to be, but no luck.
Hey guys.... that $69 was hypothetical to make a point. All I'm saying is if it looks cheap (and it does) then maybe it will sell cheap. This means parents are more willing/able to buy it for their kids. All this because it's possible someone at HPI wanted to pursue high volume sales with a small profit per unit vs selling lower volume with a large mark-up in an effort to increase profit in these economic times. I was only speculating about the car, as are most of the contributors to this thread.
Sorry to confuse things by throwing out a ''made-up'' price. I did a Google Search, but didn't find anything. I wanted to see what the price is expected to be, but no luck.
I was gonna say, if it was $69 Id buy a couple just to part them out. $40 a body, $40 ESC/motor, $20 battery, $25 radio/rx, $30 roller. $80 profit
Id assume its gonna be between $100-$150.
02-06-2013, 11:43 AM
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personally I'm guessing $150-$220 cause thats how HPI seems to work for the most part
$30 roller? might as well sell the tires for $30 and throw the chassis out lol
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LOL, ok.
I was gonna say, if it was $69 Id buy a couple just to part them out. $40 a body, $40 ESC/motor, $20 battery, $25 radio/rx, $30 roller. $80 profit
Id assume its gonna be between $100-$150.
ORIGINAL: Argess
Hey guys.... that $69 was hypothetical to make a point. All I'm saying is if it looks cheap (and it does) then maybe it will sell cheap. This means parents are more willing/able to buy it for their kids. All this because it's possible someone at HPI wanted to pursue high volume sales with a small profit per unit vs selling lower volume with a large mark-up in an effort to increase profit in these economic times. I was only speculating about the car, as are most of the contributors to this thread.
Sorry to confuse things by throwing out a ''made-up'' price. I did a Google Search, but didn't find anything. I wanted to see what the price is expected to be, but no luck.
Hey guys.... that $69 was hypothetical to make a point. All I'm saying is if it looks cheap (and it does) then maybe it will sell cheap. This means parents are more willing/able to buy it for their kids. All this because it's possible someone at HPI wanted to pursue high volume sales with a small profit per unit vs selling lower volume with a large mark-up in an effort to increase profit in these economic times. I was only speculating about the car, as are most of the contributors to this thread.
Sorry to confuse things by throwing out a ''made-up'' price. I did a Google Search, but didn't find anything. I wanted to see what the price is expected to be, but no luck.
I was gonna say, if it was $69 Id buy a couple just to part them out. $40 a body, $40 ESC/motor, $20 battery, $25 radio/rx, $30 roller. $80 profit
Id assume its gonna be between $100-$150.
02-06-2013, 01:08 PM
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Is that real? Did. Traxxas buy HPi? Or am I just gulable lol. It looks like something I got my kid years ago from toys r us
02-06-2013, 01:09 PM
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RE: HPI have got to be kidding...a rear wheel drive touring car!?
They might be good for a cost controlled spec pan-touring class (like the tamiya mini classes everywhere). Trinity used to offer cheap offerings for the trinity street spec class. If the intent is a grass roots budget racing where fun and skill are all that matters, then I like it. For a play toy, basher, or non-spec class racer, forget it.
02-06-2013, 01:11 PM
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I just don't get what this adds to HPI's lineup and how they think in any way that such a basic car is good for their image in the hobby. Just a left field move if you ask me, they need to make something really good and quickly, hell, let Hobao make all the new cars for 2013, please?
I just don't get what this adds to HPI's lineup and how they think in any way that such a basic car is good for their image in the hobby. Just a left field move if you ask me, they need to make something really good and quickly, hell, let Hobao make all the new cars for 2013, please?
02-06-2013, 01:36 PM
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Or maybe this explains it all:
Or maybe this explains it all:
tell me thats photoshop or I'm going to kill myself [&o]
02-06-2013, 02:22 PM
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Hummm, ive got mixed thoughts, mostly bad ones lol
Its got a very strange front suspension setup reminds me of the VW's u see racing in the BAJA 1000
But it hard to tell but it could possibly have rear suspension like on the older Kyosho mini Z
or it its anything like the E10, the chassis has more flex than the rock hard springs and shocks lol
Looks like it will be neer impossible to drive, those little wheels are going to have problems with traction.....
All i think....Highspeed runs anyone?
hey who rembers the Traxxas Street Sport?
Its got a very strange front suspension setup reminds me of the VW's u see racing in the BAJA 1000
But it hard to tell but it could possibly have rear suspension like on the older Kyosho mini Z
or it its anything like the E10, the chassis has more flex than the rock hard springs and shocks lol
Looks like it will be neer impossible to drive, those little wheels are going to have problems with traction.....
All i think....Highspeed runs anyone?
hey who rembers the Traxxas Street Sport?