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Old 05-12-2018, 05:07 PM
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Red face my next generation roll center sway bar for any scale vehicle

2nd version generation 4

if you raize one side of lower suspension arm it of course lift the other side

but at the same time and or any time and or before that

the ball put preasure on the oposite tire increase grip to drive better at any time left right front rear



1st version generation 3 i dezign that took to much room to many part az double bearing



here iz the original generation - prototype i made a few yearz ago



i would say say

generation 0 iz no sway bar
generation 1 iz a team associated tc5 sway bar no bearing
generation 2 iz a team xray t4 2018 sway bar with bearing
generation - prototype see my prototype
generation 3 prototype see my prototype
generation 4 my center ball thought created 2018 may 13 sunday 02:00 p.m
generation 5 feature my rear generation 4 and or front end connect to front knuckle steering arm and turn when knuckle turn
to compress inside front suspension and decompress out side front suspension that angle main lower chassis plate for
center gravity toward turn instead of the oposite way natural with a example 1:10 scale electric buggy that main lower
chassis plate tip to out side side of car if you turn left chassis top right which iz roll center anti

i make a lot of new generation part see link below

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Old 05-13-2018, 03:44 PM
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when i dezign the double bearing i hated it for it did not make room the same amount of space mass that this below made

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after hard work sufering and a few dayz later today my mind natural told me it like a ball when i woke up that moment with in that next 5 minutez

and to my suprize that i want it to fit like above it doez

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i have just finish making a prototype new generation shock with adjust ride height that doeznot effect spring compression

when you adjust ride height from lower suspension arm you turn a set screw that compress the suspension

this dezign iz on the very top of the shock assembly and you can uze your octagon wrench to adjust ride height

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i also created the next generation turnbuckle


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Old 05-14-2018, 03:04 AM
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Back to reinventing the wheel, eh?
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dint this jack might get banned from other forums. YES he did..
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yup

i went thru every part of the 1:10 scale to up grade in to some thing new for the world market

i think i will call the roll center bar generation 2 with prototypez deleted
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another type of ride height adjustment it new so it can have some quark


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Old 05-14-2018, 01:35 PM
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mmmm

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i re contrust the prototype file

i liked it

any way

you can make a ball for this where the bar iz like the first image of a ball roll center bar

but have it only rotate from roll center

and uze bearing to rotate left right

so it a hybrid


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i made a new version to day

it iz the simplist and or cheapest i could make from the double bearing and or ball




well i made a carbon fiber verison the carbon fiber iz to be cut at angle but show image u shape


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notice

the simplist versionz in my post above can angle on the center ball cup

so i made





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i have one prototype to look at

it uzez a lower shaft mount not a ball mount low arm suspension mount

so it not a double ball mount the bottom iz a hole for a shaft and screw like the bearing mount above

but it mounted at a right angle for the first prototype

becauze if it angle iz straight it bindz when the suspension compress

i am thinking that i cant under stand until i draw it or think about it

that that angle iz important that it linez up left right grip with up down roll

with one of the above versionz to make it rotate

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like a trick to figure out
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here it iz !!!!

my final prototype

....

and i think it iz my best version out of all of them for price part count eaze of assembly it cheap and the geometery of the angle lower bal
lower suspension arm shaft take the center ball cup that can az a car siting angle left right horizontal and it removez that ability that mean
when you drive it it iz at a angle the bar but with this angle mount the cylinder it can not angle akward

i have chozen theze 3 for my finalz i could add the ball but it for now are theze prototypes

edit i forgot to mention there could be a precise angle not just a 45 degree to this







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It’s all BS until it ends up on a model and proven to be a worthwhile “upgrade”. Until theres proof it works and works
better than what’s currently available,’nobody is going to take a second look. Prove this is more
than a bunch of fancy MS Paint drawings.
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Originally Posted by 1QwkSport2.5r View Post
It’s all BS until it ends up on a model and proven to be a worthwhile “upgrade”. Until theres proof it works and works
better than what’s currently available,’nobody is going to take a second look. Prove this is more
than a bunch of fancy MS Paint drawings.
laugh you talk lie the team xray t4 sway bar i posted retarted it still bending wrong for you to talk to my podium az a fan

there are so many people pissed below me....

the next generation
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I’m not pissed. I don’t give a crap. What I do give a crap about are innovations that truly make my RC experience significantly better. Example: RPM suspension arms. Better than stock and lifetime warranty. Make a better than stock part that is more durable and better performance for a good price and I will buy it. Throw a bunch of reinvented wheel pictures without any proof the “theory” is better than anything currently available and you will get laughed off like a red headed step child. Post this stuff on a racing forum and you’ll get banned for spamming.

Prove your stuff works in reality and you’ll get better reception.
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Originally Posted by 1QwkSport2.5r View Post
I’m not pissed. I don’t give a crap. What I do give a crap about are innovations that truly make my RC experience significantly better. Example: RPM suspension arms. Better than stock and lifetime warranty. Make a better than stock part that is more durable and better performance for a good price and I will buy it. Throw a bunch of reinvented wheel pictures without any proof the “theory” is better than anything currently available and you will get laughed off like a red headed step child. Post this stuff on a racing forum and you’ll get banned for spamming.

Prove your stuff works in reality and you’ll get better reception.

i will get banned becauze the world wide rc haz to deal with a bar that cant improve oposite tire grip az the price tag in the hundredz....

ammo.... (repeat mesage]

the theory part iz when you move your stabilizer and it say i cant do that grip so i think in theory az the source that cant find the source so it theory....


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it can get worse with out balance

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Bring in the 4 theory 4 wire brushless motor.
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you mean

4 tires

go in the vent....

it even court cases....

i think los angeles try to hide there pride missing

i sent this image with a text to l.a.p.d called bad stuf

emergency over ride....

i uze https://pixlr.com/editor/


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the only other version i have to all 3 that i have chozen to be my only 3

iz the right angle lower suspension arm shaft

iz instead at a straight angle with the screw on the out side facing the same way the tire faces

then....

if you do a right angle you can also angle that right angle up ward to have two anglez az 1 for the shaft lower mount i am guesing that iz the one you need but you can realy draw it you ahve to cad




i have to look at both

but it coming in close for the final race who will win

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there are two downfals to my designz

all of them

there iz camber change

when you set your turn buckle you have to have in the side turnbuckle mount higher than the outside knuckle mount

when you compress suspension the pre set camber angle extends outward

becauze the angle turnbuckle getz longer az you compress suspension

becuaze it iz a angle iz shorter than a straight line

but after time the camber and width start to degrade

together

and there iz no way you can change this from happening

you can only make it worse by have a turn buckle that iz lower on the inside or turnbuckle that iz straight horizontal

only a mini-z ma-010 with it up down suspension can have camber with zero change in width and or camber

so that iz a rule of thumb

when you do stabilizerz that your lower suspension mount

will never get in the same line az your stabilizer anglez

and it i will degrade after time that it bindz it getz tight

cauze you cant alingn it like camber

this iz the nature of a car

the only downfal

i do not have a computer with 3d cad moveable rendering

to draw a circle of the left right bearing

then a circle of each type of lower suspension mount

and i am guessing if i did all of that

you will still alwayz find a percentage when it compress

that iz bindz you can only reduce it to itz lowest value binding meanz it wantz to pul in another direction and or getz stif to bend in it self the bar will bend in the middle

but never zero

then imagine making this for a ma-010 when i know that you will alwayz seem stuck on a 1:10 suspension

that when you look at ma-010 you feel the same

az it takez up your time the binding the camber change the toe change in suspension compres

you also have kick up to add to that stabilzer i made

where you angle the inner lower suspension hinge pinz upward toward inside the car or the other angle

then you can also angle thoze from a down view to the car out ward and or inward

that go with the angle lower shaft suspension stabilizer mount to make it angle back az

when you compress the roll will angle the the barz back a way from the mount it on


...........................

you also have a ability

to make a shaft that slide in a another shaft ya a shft that slide in a hollow shaft

that can roll with the motion of the suspension and with bal mount angle

but it slide in to the other shaft to roll another direction liek back az a roll center bar doez

to compensate but still achieve both typez of stabilizer

a roll center

and a oposite tire grip

i never tried it

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i had another verson

wheren you have the dobubel ball mount

and there iz no ball cup snap to put on the end of the bar

and you put like a turnbuckle you can find here and there

the metal ball with teh hole in it



ya.....

a left right grip bar

take two double ball suspension mountz ball shaft ball that i have

put a turnuckle ball in side the top of them

slide you bar in with the double bearing mount

if you lift left it compres right

but if you lift both it doez not do any thing

to put a screw

you put that metal ball in to the double ball mount for suspension

when you turn left it compress right

and start to angle the bar you you slide in to the little ball in side that movez liek a turnbuckle ball

then it naturaly liftz up both side

and the sway bar slidez in and out that ball

but there iz friction that comez with it to slide a bar in side a hole that anglez to a force it need to angle

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