JoeJr1485

Dang!!! I knew I forgot to add something! 😆

hoser

Joe I have one of these on the way looking forward to your build and maiden.

JoeJr1485

awesome! I had to put it on hold on the build and put it back in the boxes. I'm about to move so starting pack everything up. If you have any questions just let me know. I'll start back at around November when my family and I are all settled in.

steveline9

Hi guys,

I am thinking of ordering the 2.66 hawk and too have my concerns about the quality. The things I can see there don't really bother me although they should be better right from the factory.
Just worries me that if care is not taken on the things you can see what is lurking in the places you can't? I have asked James for a picture of the elevator before the top skin goes on maybe saving you buying a new one to destroy. Also would like the same with the wings so will post here for you when and if if I get that. I personally think this would be a great plus point for flyeagle as they should be doing everything to put a customers mind at rest after there reputation has taken a severe hit.
I think if all is good then this is a value for money jet, never built an ARTF where I have not had to do something on it to make it airworthy.

steveline9

Here are the pictures of the new elevator internals for you guys.
Thoughts?

Shaun Evans

Hi,

Every time I read a post in one of these threads that starts with 'I just ordered one of these' or 'I'm thinking of ordering one of these', it makes me think about the "Light Grenade" scene from "Mom and Dad Save the World." Highly underrated flick, btw.....

FenderBean

Steve, is that just airex foam being used for the front spar?

steveline9

No mate it's ply both sides of the Ali bar then airex on the sides of the ply. Bolts are drilled through the bar into the ply but personally would have liked to see the whole of the triangle filled with the bar just for peace of mind.
Will be doing a mod on mine with 3mm carbon plate to fill that whole area.

JoeJr1485

The thing to take away from these two pictures is that its clear that they have made improvements on the rear stabs. I know that the one on the left is the new one. Thanks for posting this. I wish I could I could take pictures with this little snake camera that I have. I looked inside the wings when I was putting the wings together and it looked pretty good. I cant wait to get it back out of the boxes so I can finish up what little I have left to do. But that will not be until I get to Germany.

gunradd

My Feedback: (9)

Really trying to figure out why the put the air ex their. Its not meant for a compression load of the bolts. They tried the same with honey comb. Again not meant for compression load. Over time those bolts will work loose. It won't be in 20 or 30 flights but sometime after that its going to fail.

Its improper use of composites. They would be much better using a thicker piece of ply. Weight is not a very big deal on these larger planes but airworthiness is a huge deal.

FenderBean

if the bolts are through the airex they will loosen like described above, it needs to be a hard surface that will not crush

Thruster

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powerjets

My Feedback: (1)

20/30 flights, that's a huge improvement!
Still no idea about proper material/ engineering, but hey, if they sell, who cares?
its a deja vu, on a deja vu, incredible ��, it is exactly like the clip Shaun, great comparison !

olnico

I don't see a ply/ airex sandwich here. It is just a thin ply spar with an airex sheet glued on the outer side. This airex sheet alone will not resist compression and is useless. Airex gets to bear compression loads when used vertically, only if it is properly vacuum molded as a composite sandwich ( the resin is forced by porosity into the foam core and bonds the composite layup/ the whole has a certain amount of vertical compression strength ).
So basically the only thing holding that massive aluminum bracket is two thin ply strips. Also, there is no rib to carry the shear load at the end of the bracket, There is a massive accumulation of load in this area.

Pylonracr

Same old FEJ. Improper use of composites, but when you attach a catchy name to it people will believe that is is "quality". This thing is as big of a piece of crap as all of their other jets. As long as unbelieving people waste their money on this junk they will keep selling it.

hoser

both images give me concern, if there is not another ply or CF rib at the end of that alum. (metal bar) it will just work loose over time on that large full flying stab

my .02

steveline9

Hi Joe......the one on the left is the old one mate.
I did ask about wing pics too but he did have a point when he said the wings of the hawk have not been an issue.
Looking forward to the rest of your build. The new elevator is much improved but I'm just going to go the extra mile. Watched many videos of the pro's building composite wings and have very little in the way of structure in there as it only has to keep the skins apart but the torque rod/bar needs to be attached properly in the first place.

Cheers

steveline9

If you look closely you will see drill holes where the bolts have gone through the ply into the threaded Ali bar.
There are 4 each side as shown by the holes in the airex.
This is what I have been told and it is clearly visible in the picture. They are not only glued.
The airex in my mind does nothing to add to strength but the skins only have to stay apart and the the torque bar stopped from rotating so i will be adding a carbon 3mm plate to the whole of that inside area and hysol in place. It will be as strong as it gets after that.

JoeJr1485

Hey Steveline9,

thanks for the correction on the picture I meant to say the right picture lol. I agree with you on the torque bar. I feel that we all can agree that they have made improvements but still needs to tweak a few more items and should be good to go. I'm going to moving close to your neck of the woods soon lol I'll have to PM you and we can try to hit up some Jet events

steveline9

Hi Joe,

Sounds good to me mate drop me a PM, always good to meet new people in our hobby.
Yes mate way improved but I'm not keen on bolts the holes will elongate in time so a simple carbon plate fixes the issue and elongates the bar spreading the load to those formers.
They don't have to be thick ply formers they are fine as they are.
The small issues you can see are nothing but a good reason to bash the kit for some and to be fair you can understand that from the guys who unfortunately lost models. These small things should be good right out of the factory.

steveline9

Mines on order by the way :0)

Shaun Evans

Yep.

It's kind of sad how this works. Leaving aside the business model where the customers do the beta-testing at their own risk and they pay up-front and wait for however-long-they-string-you-along, there's worse. Every time these guys (and outfits like them) urge their new customers to come on here and try to whitewash the obvious abysmal track record, they do achieve the goal of hooking unsuspecting others to become 'new customers.' The cycle continues.... terrible ethics are rewarded, terrible (and dangerous) design/engineering deficiencies are rewarded, a 'depraved indifference' to the safety of modelers and their spectators is rewarded, etc. For me, the worst part is the ethics thing. I just can't understand why these 'new' customers really don't care how this company has behaved and treated their customers thus far. I really don't get that. They'd never board an aircraft that had a reputation for poor maintenance, unexplained crashes and the passengers themselves being blamed and smeared for having been in the crash. They'd never buy a car from a dealer if two of their neighbors got screwed by that dealer (and the dealer badmouthed the neighbors and tried to bully them into silence). They'd never go to a surgeon who'd never been to medical school, but did surgery by trial-and-error. Why why why do they keep companies like this alive by rewarding their practices and ethics and actually HELP them gain new victims? I really don't get it....

Light Grenade. "Pick Me Up."

mullerr

That's the best,
I gota watch the rest of that movie,
I also think it's great how it's completely ignored,
I call it lipstick on a pig, looks better but still a pig.

Richard
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AndyAndrews

+1 well stated.

AndyAndrews

+1