Pattern_is_Fun

Acrobat - do you think the judges are qualified? Do you think there is enough participation from each country? If the answer is yes to these questions, all should be fair for all pilots. If the answer is No, tell us on what basis you think it's unfair. Did you see CPLR's flights? Do you have information from a pilot there that CPLR did not fly a 630? (in their opinion)

"CPLR is a top pilot but im sure there are many others in the world just not noticed" - Yes there are many others... they are all there flying.

I do like your idea sending a top pilot from each country, as long as the high score and the low score were thrown out from each round. Of course, all countries would have to be represented.

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JYM

All your planes a gorgeous, I bet we will see soon some Jason trim scheme kids growing around.

Whatever your results are guys, you are already for sure the Stars of our hobby.


I wish I was there, keep us informed as much as possible for all of us far from this 05 World,

JYM.

By the way, I have had a great time reading the Hebert Comp website and all the infos from anyone making this thread a real pleasure to read, ty.






Merci Ã* toi P1 frenchie, pour les superbes photos. Et, comme dit précedemment, n'hésites pas Ã* nous abreuver d'images et d'infos inédites qui rendent les distances moins pénibles. Bien Ã* Toi.

papaone

Hi JYM
you write in french very well without fault, congratulations.
I think you prefer pics rather than explanations !

apereira

It would be nice if somebody attending the worlds or any other person that can have access to information about what model/engine participants are using, nothing specific, just model and engine.

Regards to all

Freddy

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Having represented my native Suriname in the 2003 F3A Worlds in Poland I can share with you that at this level you get some of the best judging in the world. It is quite fair and judges are from all the geographic regions. A true "world level" international event and must see for all pattern buffs.
Good luck John and Geoffrey Bainathsah!
Freddy Hagens

papaone

Hi
last résults
Rank Name Country Flight1 Flight2 Flight3 Flight4 Total
1 C. PLR FRANCE 630.4 0.0 0.0 585.0 1215.4
2 R. MATT LIECHT 0.0 556.6 568.4 0.0 1125.0
3 T. ONDA JAPAN 0.0 0.0 535.2 577.6 1112.8
4 J. SHULMAN USA 544.8 0.0 0.0 548.0 1092.8
5 G. HYDE USA 559.8 0.0 0.0 531.4 1091.2
6 W. MATT LIECHT 0.0 552.8 535.8 0.0 1088.6
7 K. SUZUKI JAPAN 0.0 0.0 525.0 546.6 1071.6
8 M. BENINCASA ITALY 536.6 0.0 0.0 530.4 1067.0
9 S.Mc MURTRY USA 0.0 540.2 526.4 0.0 1066.6
10 Y. AKIBA JAPAN 0.0 0.0 524.6 535.0 1059.6
11 B.PLR FRANCE 532.0 0.0 0.0 527.0 1059.0
12 M. WISSINGER GERMANY 540.2 515.0 0.0 0.0 1055.2
13 B.BESCHORNER GERMANY 0.0 0.0 506.0 548.2 1054.2
14 S. CARRIER FRANCE 529.6 0.0 0.0 523.0 1052.6
15 G. ULSAMER GERMANY 524.3 519.2 0.0 0.0 1043.5
16 A. BALFOUR UK 530.2 507.2 0.0 0.0 1037.4
17 S. SILVESTRI ITALY 0.0 495.7 538.6 0.0 1034.3
18 F. ROCHEDIEU FRANCE 0.0 516.8 515.6 0.0 1032.4
19 L. FRIGGERI ITALY 0.0 514.8 508.8 0.0 1023.6
20 P.DRACK SWITZERLAND 0.0 0.0 497.2 517.4 1014.6

macleote

Hi Guys (and claude papaone),

you can find all this photo and more on http://forumf3a.cabb41.net (sure cause i'm the photographer), will get all the results for semi finals tomorrow with the help of a friend organisator.

For sure if Christophe will be hard to overcome, a nice fight between USA, Japan, Germany, France and Italia is coming with the first result(team wolrdchampion) will be known tomorow!!!!


GL but Go Go Go France


PS: I have also seen the 2nd Flight of CPLR (score 630) It was amazing with a 90° wind, you were thinking there was no wind [X(] . I have seen Hyde 2nd flight two and i think it was not one of is best.... many wings errors.

papaone

Bonjour Mcleote
J'ai posté ces photos qui proviennent du forumF3a (merci au photographe) sur ce forum Rc Universe Ã* la demande de certains qui n'arrivaient pas ou ne voulaient pas s'inscrire sur ce forum français forumF3A because la langue française.
j'espère que tu ne m'en veux pas, le but n'était pas de prendre ton travail mais simplement de faire partager la passion du F3A Ã* des étrangers qui ont du mal Ã* pratiquer la langue française.
A+

falconhob

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Team Scores after round 3 per the [link=http://www.billeau.nom.fr/world_2005/news.htm]france F3A website[/link]
Country Total
FRANCE Total 6,038.8
USA Total 4,910.6
LIECHTENSTEIN Total 4,776.8
ITALY Total 4,743.5
GERMANY Total 4,734.5
UK Total 4,520.5
BELGIUM Total 4,508.4
JAPAN Total 4,377.0
AUSTRALIA Total 4,199.4
SWEDEN Total 4,180.8
IRELAND Total 4,129.8
BRAZIL Total 4,112.2
NORWAY Total 4,066.6
THAILAND Total 4,039.0
SWITZERLAND Total 4,034.8
AUSTRIA Total 3,977.4
RUSSIA Total 3,962.0
ARGENTINA Total 3,877.0
CANADA Total 3,844.7
PORTUGAL Total 3,724.2
CZECH REPUBLIC Total 3,618.6
SPAIN Total 3,531.5
POLAND Total 3,395.8
NETHERLANDS Total 3,385.4
DENMARK Total 3,358.2
CHINA Total 3,315.8
FINLAND Total 3,307.4
KOREA Total 3,161.2
SOUTH AFRICA Total 2,806.6
HONG KONG Total 2,741.6
NEW ZEALAND Total 2,720.4
CYPRUS Total 2,417.8
SLOVAKIA Total 2,126.8
SURINAME Total 1,980.6
CHILE Total 1,952.2
ECUADOR Total 1,607.8
SOUTH Total 1,496.8
ISRAEL Total 1,377.4
SAN MARINO Total 1,366.2
SINGAPORE Total 1,219.6
UKRAINE Total 1,213.8
GREECE Total 1,144.4
KUWAIT Total -

Counted 4 pilots for france; not sure how that gets tweaked?

falconhob

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Raw scores sorted by total. Did this in a rush on coffee break, so may have errors.

Pilot Country Total
C.PAYSANT-LE ROUX FRANCE 1,809.8
T.ONDA JAPAN 1,696.0
R.MATT LIECHTENSTEIN 1,692.2
G.HYDE USA 1,666.4
J.SHULMAN USA 1,649.2
B.PAYSANT-LE FRANCE 1,628.0
W.MATT LIECHTENSTEIN 1,625.8
M.BENINCASA ITALY 1,623.2
B.BESCHORNER GERMANY 1,623.0
Y.AKIBA JAPAN 1,609.4
S.McMURTRY USA 1,595.0
S.SILVESTRI ITALY 1,586.5
M.WISSINGER GERMANY 1,580.4
F.ROCHEDIEU FRANCE 1,548.4
C.NORTHEAST CANADA 1,547.6
P.DRACK SWITZERLAND 1,546.8
L.FRIGGERI ITALY 1,533.8
A.BALFOUR UK 1,533.8
G.ULSAMER GERMANY 1,531.1
P.MARQUET BELGIUM 1,523.6
G.BROADBENT AUSTRALIA 1,522.8
H.DANKSAGMÃœLLER AUSTRIA 1,512.6
B.RANSLEY UK 1,506.4
M.COLOMBO ARGENTINA 1,499.2
A.STOCKWELL SOUTH 1,496.8
M.ZEINER AUSTRIA 1,496.4
O.FREMMING NORWAY 1,495.2
C.HANS BELGIUM 1,494.6
B.DIERICKX BELGIUM 1,490.2
M.RUBIN SWITZERLAND 1,482.4
K.CATON UK 1,480.3
F.TRENTO BRAZIL 1,470.6
A.LAU HONG KONG 1,467.2
P.BYUNG JUN KOREA 1,464.4
N.SCHÄDLER LIECHTENSTEIN 1,458.8
S.ROBINSON IRELAND 1,451.8
A.GLATT CANADA 1,447.7
H.ZHEN DI CHINA 1,447.0
F.BRIGGS NEW ZEALAND 1,434.8
S.CHUCHARD THAILAND 1,432.0
S.BUTUZOV RUSSIA 1,427.8
B.HELENO PORTUGAL 1,426.8
D.NIETO ARGENTINA 1,426.4
D.VAN VLIET NETHERLANDS 1,420.6
D.LUNDSTRÖM SWEDEN 1,415.6
B.BLOODWORTH AUSTRALIA 1,412.4
D.POTGIETER SOUTH AFRICA 1,405.0
P.MARAIS SOUTH AFRICA 1,401.6
R.NUTTAWUT THAILAND 1,398.6
J.ROMBAUT SPAIN 1,391.0
T.STENLUND SWEDEN 1,390.6
R.FOLTRAM BRAZIL 1,385.2
B.OLSSON SWEDEN 1,374.6
M.SELVA SAN MARINO 1,366.2
R.KEANE IRELAND 1,357.6
N.GEORGIADES CYPRUS 1,337.2
J.SWIDEREK POLAND 1,327.2
K.KAUKORANTA FINLAND 1,326.4
N.SULLIVAN IRELAND 1,320.4
O.KRISTENSEN DENMARK 1,308.8
O.ZAKHAROV RUSSIA 1,303.4
K.FRANTZEN NORWAY 1,297.4
D.KYJOVSKY CZECH REPUBLIC 1,287.8
J.DANBY NEW ZEALAND 1,285.6
L.HUNG KAY HONG 1,274.4
P.WESTERHAUG NORWAY 1,274.0
A.PYE AUSTRALIA 1,264.2
L.DONGHEE KOREA 1,262.8
H.CRUZ BRAZIL 1,256.4
P.URBANSKI POLAND 1,256.0
C.ROMBAUT SPAIN 1,250.6
R.FERREIRA PORTUGAL 1,235.0
M.AALTONEN FINLAND 1,233.6
V.MANDRIKA RUSSIA 1,230.8
T.HATTEL DENMARK 1,225.2
H.LIM SINGAPORE 1,219.6
R.REYES CHILE 1,210.6
T.PRAPHON THAILAND 1,208.4
O.MATULA CZECH REPUBLIC 1,173.0
Z.FRYDRYN CZECH REPUBLIC 1,157.8
S.SCHRICHTE NETHERLANDS 1,153.0
E.SOPEOGLOU GREECE 1,144.4
P.CHRISTODOULIDES CYPRUS 1,080.6
G.BAINATHSAH SURINAME 1,078.0
K.SUZUKI JAPAN 1,071.6
H.CABECA PORTUGAL 1,062.4
S.CARRIER FRANCE 1,052.6
B.SCHADEN SWITZERLAND 1,005.6
E.FILGAS AUSTRIA 968.4
L.AMBROGGI ARGENTINA 951.4
Z.XU JUN CHINA 948.0
D.ZHI YONG CHINA 920.8
E.AVILES ECUADOR 918.6
J.BAINATHSAH SURINAME 902.6
F.MARTIN SPAIN 889.9
D.VAGHY CANADA 849.4
F.LERAGER DENMARK 824.2
I.NAJARY ISRAEL 816.2
K.URBANSKI POLAND 812.6
H.BERENDSE NETHERLANDS 811.8
V.STUPAK UKRAINE 786.4
B.KIANICKA SLOVAKIA 779.2
J.LOIKKANEN FINLAND 747.4
A.KONIG CHILE 741.6
V.LENOCH SLOVAKIA 695.6
E.CARRERA ECUADOR 689.2
P.ROZIAK SLOVAKIA 652.0
D.SAISKY ISRAEL 561.2
H.MAN KOREA 434.0
V.MAKAROV UKRAINE 427.4
C.PAREDES ECUADOR -
A.AL-HARDAN KUWAIT

Doug Cronkhite

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CPLR as current World Champion does not count towards the Team scores unless he took a team position. Since the team from France is BPLR, Rochedieu, and Carrier, it would appear CPLR is flying as the current champ and not for France specifically.

Troy Newman

Now were starting to see a better picture. CPLR is not flying that much better than everybody else..Some guys are getting some scores against him. Namely Onda and Bernd with Chip getting a really good flight today. But so far he leads every round he has flown.

They are posting based on raw scores for result orderand this is a little blurry in the results as the scores will all be normalized tomorrow and TBL applied.This shows Jason in 4th and Chip in 5th..It really comes down to who wins round #3 Roland, CPLR or one of the USA guys, Chip or Jason. Onda is already 4th in this round so far...But it could be his drop if he flies very well in Rd #2 that Chip and Jason, Sean, Matts, and CPLR already have very good placing.

Sooooo.

Teams standing right now...tomorrow will tell for sure....and some pilots didn't finish the morning session for day 3 due to rain. In this group was Suzuki I guess from JPN..But in the two rounds he has scored he is very close to Sean in Rd #3 and is right behind Jason in Rd4 and ahead of both Chip and Sean in Rd4. Akiba is behind Chip and ahead of JAS, Behind Sean in one and ahead of him and Chip in another. This is still with 25% of the flying yet to be done for the Team gold. But its getting very tight

1. JPN pilot #1Onda (2nd, 4th, 2nd)
#2 Suzuki(not completed, 6th 7th)
#3 Akiba (5th, 7th, 9th)

2. USA #1 Chip (2nd, 4th, 10th)
#2 JAS (6th, 5th, 6th)
#3 Sean (7th, 5th, 11th)

Not sure how they are counting FRA team scores as they have 4 pilots..I think CPLR doesn't count at all toward team placing as he is defending champ and the french team is 3 pilots....Otherwise the country with the defending world champ would always win the team gold as they have 4 pilots...

Again Team standings are RAW's and not normalized scores this will count when they normalize as one pilot has a bad round and gets dropped while another keeps a lower score. Right now USA has a couple of low scores we need to replace.

France and Liechtenstein are a little ways back compared to USA and JPN but lots and lots can change when pilots drop their lowest of the 4 rounds Right now CPLR, Chip, Jason's group has not flown round #3 If CPLR wins this round this could push the Matt's and Sean lower in Rd 3...Also since Suzuki has yet to fly this round...this is a wild card too...If he has a good flight like 5th or 6th then JPN is ahead and if he flies a 10th and USA improves on their lows then...USA will probably win it. Also a wild card is Roland and Wolfgang hitting round #1 where Jason and Chip have good placing so far.

Team USA needs to get a good round for all 3 pilots for tomorrow as the standings here are really tight and nobody will know for sure until the final pilot.


other notables....Bernd Beschoner from Germany, Silvestri from Italy, and BPLR (cplr's brother) are flying very well.

Onda from Japan is 2nd to CPLR in 2 rounds so far. But Roland has him by a smidgen at the moment. Right now it looks to me like its CPLR, Roland, Onda top 3 after the prelims. With Onda and Roland extremely tight. Chip, Jason and Sean are looking at like 5th to 10th...Throw the JPN team in this about same spot...again all depends on Day 4 of the prelims.

Current round leaders

Rd#1
1. CPLR---Fra 630.40 (1000)
2. Onda--JPN 583.20 (925.1)
3. Beschorner--GER 568.8 (902.3)
4. Hyde---USA 559.80 (888.0)
5. Akiba--JPN 549.80 (872.21)
6. Shulman---USA 544.80 (864.2)

Rd #2

1. CPLR---Fra 594.40 (1000)
2. Hyde--USA 575.00 (967.4)
3. BPLR--FRA 569.00 (957.3)
4. R. Matt ---Lit 556.6 (936.4)
5. Sulman--USA 556.4 (936.0)
6. W. Matt---Lit 552.8 (930.0)
7. McMurtry---USA 540.2 (908.8)


Rd#3

1. R. Matt---Lit 568.40 (1000)
2. Silvestri---ITA 538.80 (947.9)
3. W Matt---Lit 535.80 (942.6)
4. Onda--JPN 535.20 (941.6)
5. McMurtry-USA 526.40 (926.1)

Rd#4

1. CPLR--FRA 585.00 (1000)
2. Onda---JPN 577.60 (987.4)
3. R Matt--LIT 567.2 (969.6)
4. Silvestri--ITA 552.2 (943.9)
5. Beschorner--GER 548.20 (937.1)
6. Shulman--USA 548.00 (936.8)
7. Suzuki--JPN 546.60 (934.4)
8. W. Matt--LIT 537.2 (918.3)
9. Akiba--JPN 535.60 (915.56)
10. Hyde--USA 531.4 (908.4)
11. McMurtry--USA 528.4 (903.2)

Go USA!!!

Troy Newman

3DEXTRA

CPLR Plane:

Acrobat

On average the judging panel are older gentlemen. Why are there no younger people i.e. 20-30. What is the criteria to be a judge, as much as I can understand it is the time you spend judging top end flyer's, And why are these guys judging top end flyer's, Id only assume because they are not in the top end so are not good flyer's themselves. From this I believe if you don't or cant fly the schedule I don't think you can judge as well (I'm not saying they can't at all) as someone who can for they are far more familiar with the planes reactions and faults through the schedule. Look I think in large numbers a panel will come up with a good average within an accuracy of 10 places whoever they are, but its when I have seen and heard zeros missed by these guys on a high average its hard for guys to move into the top ten and up. I think there needs to be a rule change like F1 to keep people on their toes. Shumacher in f1 would win again and again if there wasn't a rule change. If they shake the foundation of the system the true champions will ride it and their placings won't change.


Please note im trying not to sound pessimistic, F3A is the greatest sport especially in the creation of the unique design planes.

Eric.Henderson

Just one more appendage to knock off when putting my plane away :-(

E.

flyintexan

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In my case....."Daddy, what's this thing for?"....snap.

papaone

Hi

Thanks to Sébastien "Mc" Leaute who shot every pictures I posted in this forum.
Sebastien knows of what he speaks. He is a french compétitor in F3A and saw the differents flights
in this WC.
Doug is right. French team is composed with BPLR, Stéphane Carrier and Florent Rochedieu.
That was the décision of our fédération FFAM to get 4 competitors instead of 3.
Good luck to USA team.

Regards

Eric.Henderson

The previous world champion gets to come back and is usually not part of a national team.

E.

Is it still raining there????

apereira

If you look in the FAI website you'll notice under the French Team that CPLR is not counted as a team pilot.

Also just to comment about judges, not very often you get good and young fliers to be judges, they are all flying!, to be a judge is very demanding, difficult and booooooring, thus older more experienced guys(been judges) are better suited for the task and easier to find.

Regards to all.

P.D. Papaone, thanks for the pictures and the effort to communicate what you are seeing there!!

papaone

Hi Apereira
I'm not on site St Yan, I'll go saturday 27 th for the final.
Every pictures was shot by Sebastien Leaute a french competitor F4A.
I just copy theses pictures from french forumF3A and put in this forum rc universe.
You should see this forum by clicking the link which is on post number 157 (Macleote)
If it's doesn't work it's easy to register.
Explanations are given by friends by phoning.
regards
A picture pick up on GBRCAA (english forum F3A)

macleote

This is the results of qualifications:

Résultats par équipes:
1- Japon
2- USA
3- Liechtenchtein
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4- France
5- Italie
6- Allemagne
7- Belgique
8- can't read myself []
9- Angleterre
10- Australie

Résultats individuels:

1- CPLR
2- Onda
3- Matt R.
4- Hyde
5- Matt W.
6- BPLR
7- Akiba
8- Silvestri
9- Shulman
10- Beschorner
11- Mc Murtry
12- Suzuki
13- Benincasa
14- Carrier
15- Wissinger
16- Rochedieu
17- Northeast
18- Balfour
19- Marquet
20- Drack
21- Colombo
22- Frigeri
23- Broadbent
24- Zeiner
25- Ransley
26- danksagnuller
27- uhlsamer
28- Dierrickx
29- Filgas
30- Rubin

Tomorow no flights, see u on friday!!!!

byoung466

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How many go to the finals?

obi1

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Only the top 30 listed I think

Troy Newman

Top 30 go to the semi's on Friday.

They fly 2 rounds with a combined normalized score from the prelims...example pilot #1 is in the lead with 3000 from the prelims he gets 1000 then pilot #2 has a 2990 he gets normalized to 996.66

They fly two rounds of F-05 and then this gives 3 scores. The rpelim combines score and (2) F-05's the best 2 scores will count for classification to the finals. In the Semi's 1/2 the judges will score rd 1 of the semi's (10 judges) and 1/2 will judge round 2 of the semi's(10) judges. Assignment to the groups for judges is by random draw.

Top 10 pilots will fly the finals with no carry overs. 4 rounds will be flown F-05, Unknown #1, F-05, Unknown #2 The best F-05 and the best Unknown will count for the final individual placing.

In the finals there will be 20 judges. 6 judges for left turnarounds, 8 judges for center figures, and 6 judges for the right turnarounds. Judge assignments will be by random draw and will serve in that group (left turnarounds or middle figure ect.) for first F-05 and the first Unknown. Then random draw will determine the group assignment for the next two rounds of finals and no judge will be in the same group twice.

For each competitor the score from the 3 groups following (TBL computation) will be combined for a total score for the flight

As always Go USA!!!!!

Troy Newman

macleote