Bristol M1c
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Looking good Dave! I've got mine covered, but not painted yet. (I'm slow, and had been focused on finishing my 1/4 scale Siemens Schuckert D1). The Bristol is going to be flying next spring or else!
Regarding the spinner..... A larger diameter spinner (than one made for the opening on the BUSA cowl) might actually have a more scale appearance. You would need to open up the front of the cowl, but that could look better too. I don't recall the diamenter of mine (I'm out of town as as type this), but the one for the albi might work just fine.
On your paint, did you have it mixed? I have been looking for enamel in a spray can the correct color (I'm doing the Shuttleworth M1c too), so I don't have bug my friend to paint it.
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Regarding the spinner..... A larger diameter spinner (than one made for the opening on the BUSA cowl) might actually have a more scale appearance. You would need to open up the front of the cowl, but that could look better too. I don't recall the diamenter of mine (I'm out of town as as type this), but the one for the albi might work just fine.
On your paint, did you have it mixed? I have been looking for enamel in a spray can the correct color (I'm doing the Shuttleworth M1c too), so I don't have bug my friend to paint it.
Thanks!
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RE: Bristol M1c
Vinyl will strech with heat, like from a covered monocoat iron so you might be able to iron out the wrinkle. I used satin polyurethane oil based and a foam brush to apply one sealing coat. One coat took the shine from the decals and it worked great. You might want to "rough up" the vinyl decals or clean them with alcohol to insure the polyurethane has something to stick to.
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RE: Bristol M1c
Just found this thread, man, the M1 is popular over there!!! Here it doesn't get a look in, too many Sopwiths and SE5a's!
I have a 30% M1B, now twenty years old, and it looks it! This winter if I get time, I am going to recover it, and slightly alter the B, just like Bristol did with theirs in 1919, to become the M1D. The differences from the M1B are the different motor, a three cylinder radial, the Bristol Lucifer with rounder cowl panels, and a slightly taller fin. The M1D was used as a racer, eventually crashed killing the pilot, during a race here in the UK. Colour is bright scarlet red, with black cowl and rear end, white logo and registration.
At the moment, my M1 is powered by an ST3000, of the same vintage, but I think I'll put a Laser 150 in after the refurb.
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I have a 30% M1B, now twenty years old, and it looks it! This winter if I get time, I am going to recover it, and slightly alter the B, just like Bristol did with theirs in 1919, to become the M1D. The differences from the M1B are the different motor, a three cylinder radial, the Bristol Lucifer with rounder cowl panels, and a slightly taller fin. The M1D was used as a racer, eventually crashed killing the pilot, during a race here in the UK. Colour is bright scarlet red, with black cowl and rear end, white logo and registration.
At the moment, my M1 is powered by an ST3000, of the same vintage, but I think I'll put a Laser 150 in after the refurb.
Ian.
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RE: Bristol M1c
I wondered if you were still out there... I used latex paints and had them mixed. I actually hand painted it vs. spray. I think it added to the weathered look, vs. a show room spray finish...plus there were no runs. I'm pleased with the outcome thus far. The spun aluminum spinner I'm using looks fine. Mine is not a scale aircraft, but a stand-off. Actually, the spinner helps balance the plane out since it is fairly tail heavy. Lets see a pic of yours if you get a chance.
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RE: Bristol M1c
Dave, the middle and right hand pics are of the 30%. As you can see it doesnt have the spinner anymore, disintergrated about 2 months ago, not a problem though as the M1D doesn't have a spinner, lucky huh?
Heres some detail pics I took while it was in the workshop, plus another of it just touching down. The M1B and D have different wings to the C, having only one viewing panel in the wing, and it is glazed. This glazing was found to be totally useless, creating reflactions you couldn't see past - handy!
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Heres some detail pics I took while it was in the workshop, plus another of it just touching down. The M1B and D have different wings to the C, having only one viewing panel in the wing, and it is glazed. This glazing was found to be totally useless, creating reflactions you couldn't see past - handy!
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Cheers fellas, Tom yours must go ballistic on full chat!!!! I thought about using that scheme on mine when I refurb it, stunning scheme but as I said earlier, the wings are different on the B to the C, but the D had the B wings, confusing huh? Makes you wonder whether Bristol had the M1B airframe lying about, as well as the 3 cylinder radial, and the thought sprung about mating the two together! Heres a couple more flying pics, a bit closer in this time! Does look like there is something missing without the spinner, but after 20 years it has finally given up the ghost, big time. It shattered whilst running on the ground! I was going to make a replacent (glass front, with a pressed stainless steel backplate, which was a 'find' from an old cooker hotplate, incredible where us modellers find things!!!) but since it is destined to be the M1D I dont need to, but I got to make the dummy radial though! How do yours balance? Mine has the gear in a box inside the cowl, servos, batteries, reciever etc are all in there, with the tank in there too. That, plus the ST3000, balances without noseweight with the scale length nose. When I convert it, I'll have to re think this box for the radio as it may foul the rounded edges of the new cowl, bummer! It may sound like a lot of effort to go to, but the plane is a superb flier, well worth a refurb for the pleasure I get from flying it. G-EAVP was used for racing and display flying so it will look great barnstorming its way through loops, stall turns, barrel rolls, spins and the like!
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Hi Ian, you are right , the ZDZ 40 allows the Bristol to move with AUTHORITY !!! We use 1/4 throttle for realistic flight. As to balancing, the back plate of the spinner is 3/8" thick aluminum together with the ZDZ and batteries, it balanced just right. Unfortunately I had to give up the craft to finance another project (Curtiss B2 Bomber). Point of interest, the ZDZ was stubborn engine to start when new, with the odd shape spinner, some high tec engineering solved the problem.
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RE: Bristol M1c
Tom, now thats what I call a starter!!!!!!!!
My Bristol refurb has started a little earlier than I planned, due to an incident, whilst flying it a couple of days ago[&o][&o]
Coming out of a stall turn, an elevator servo failed, leaving one half locked with about 10 degrees down travel, which, with some frantic stick jiggling, left the plane crabbing around half a circuit and into land, untidy, but no damage. I took this as a sign, since the servos are all of the same vintage, removed the ST 3000, and set about fitting the Laser 150. Snag 1, the Laser 150 swings a 16x8 prop, the dummy Bristol Lucifer 3 cylinder will be about an inch less, so me thinks it will be struggling to blow enough draught to get it into the air again. Plan two, different motor. Not wanting to be out done by Tom , I have fitted a US41cc petrol onto the front, which will balance the same as the ST. The thinking is that I can really overprop the motor, as I certainly dont need the power, and use something like a 24x4 or a 26x4. this will keep the noise down, swing a scale diameter prop. Experimentation is required on the prop size, but I think its a goer. A few years ago, I had a similar idea in a Fokker D8, ST2500 motor that ran a 24x4 prop, very nearly scale diameter for 1/4 scale, very quiet, with useable thrust.
So, to finish up, the Bristol is now naked, fuselage at least and I am amazed how well the airframe has stood up to 20 years of abuse.
I'll post some pics of the convertion if anyone is interested, but it won't be a quick as i didn't plan on starting it this soon, i was hoping it had a winter of use left in it, but this was obviously not so!!!
Ian.
My Bristol refurb has started a little earlier than I planned, due to an incident, whilst flying it a couple of days ago[&o][&o]
Coming out of a stall turn, an elevator servo failed, leaving one half locked with about 10 degrees down travel, which, with some frantic stick jiggling, left the plane crabbing around half a circuit and into land, untidy, but no damage. I took this as a sign, since the servos are all of the same vintage, removed the ST 3000, and set about fitting the Laser 150. Snag 1, the Laser 150 swings a 16x8 prop, the dummy Bristol Lucifer 3 cylinder will be about an inch less, so me thinks it will be struggling to blow enough draught to get it into the air again. Plan two, different motor. Not wanting to be out done by Tom , I have fitted a US41cc petrol onto the front, which will balance the same as the ST. The thinking is that I can really overprop the motor, as I certainly dont need the power, and use something like a 24x4 or a 26x4. this will keep the noise down, swing a scale diameter prop. Experimentation is required on the prop size, but I think its a goer. A few years ago, I had a similar idea in a Fokker D8, ST2500 motor that ran a 24x4 prop, very nearly scale diameter for 1/4 scale, very quiet, with useable thrust.
So, to finish up, the Bristol is now naked, fuselage at least and I am amazed how well the airframe has stood up to 20 years of abuse.
I'll post some pics of the convertion if anyone is interested, but it won't be a quick as i didn't plan on starting it this soon, i was hoping it had a winter of use left in it, but this was obviously not so!!!
Ian.
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RE: Bristol M1c
Ian, Sounds like you have a big project going. Please post pictures as you progress. I no longer have the M1, sold to make room for a new project Curtiss B2 Condor Bomber.