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05-27-2003, 03:23 PM
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I WISH!
I saw that Scheme also and it's what I want to rip my Model tech down to.
Do you know who flew it? That'd help in the searching for photos.
I've been looking but to no avail, yet.
Do you know who flew it? That'd help in the searching for photos.
I've been looking but to no avail, yet.
05-27-2003, 05:43 PM
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I am currently working that scheme. I've found some stuff, but not very much. I have the name of the pilot, but I can't remember how to spell it. I'll post it when I get home from work.
05-27-2003, 10:39 PM
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Sorry, 106A, but I must disagree with you...
P-47D-22 “PENGIE-III”, HV-M 42-25836, Cpt Boles³aw “MIKE” G³adych, 61st FS, 56 FG, 8 AF, BOXTED, July 1944
Pengie III was a Razorback P-47D, in natural metal finish, red cowl and rudder, which sported invasion stripes on the lower surfaces of wings and fuselage ( indicating that the scheme was either photographed or recorded a few weeks after
D-Day) and had the codes and serial number in black. The s/n was probably 42-25836. It also carried the name "Rita" in small white letters under the cowl. The Penguin and Pengie III name was similar to Pengie II. The HVM code may have been carried in black, in stenciled format, under the port wing outboard of the invasion stripes.
Here's some links about Gladych:
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/gladych/gladych.htm
http://www.au.af.mil/au/goe/eaglebio.../gladych02.htm
This one's in Polish, but you can find a transulator on the net:
http://warbirds.mega.com.pl/piloci/gladych.htm
P-47D-22 “PENGIE-III”, HV-M 42-25836, Cpt Boles³aw “MIKE” G³adych, 61st FS, 56 FG, 8 AF, BOXTED, July 1944
Pengie III was a Razorback P-47D, in natural metal finish, red cowl and rudder, which sported invasion stripes on the lower surfaces of wings and fuselage ( indicating that the scheme was either photographed or recorded a few weeks after
D-Day) and had the codes and serial number in black. The s/n was probably 42-25836. It also carried the name "Rita" in small white letters under the cowl. The Penguin and Pengie III name was similar to Pengie II. The HVM code may have been carried in black, in stenciled format, under the port wing outboard of the invasion stripes.
Here's some links about Gladych:
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/gladych/gladych.htm
http://www.au.af.mil/au/goe/eaglebio.../gladych02.htm
This one's in Polish, but you can find a transulator on the net:
http://warbirds.mega.com.pl/piloci/gladych.htm
05-27-2003, 10:51 PM
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A couple shots of Gladych with the Pengie III.
Again, I have a larger pict that I can send if you would like...
Note: the word "always" is cut off of the caption.
Again, I have a larger pict that I can send if you would like...
Note: the word "always" is cut off of the caption.
05-28-2003, 12:35 AM
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Originally posted by verald_stevens
A couple shots of Gladych with the Pengie III.
Again, I have a larger pict that I can send if you would like...
Note: the word "always" is cut off of the caption.
A couple shots of Gladych with the Pengie III.
Again, I have a larger pict that I can send if you would like...
Note: the word "always" is cut off of the caption.
~Ray
05-28-2003, 12:46 AM
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Hi Verald,
I hate to disagree with you also!
There were two different pilots that had planes coded HV-M, Smith and Gladych. The one Smith flew was a P-47C, Gladych flew a D, I don't think he flew a "M", but not sure.
Smith changed his individual identifier from M to S on his D model, 42-28382, "Ole Cock III", as he was a squadron commander and that was one of the "perks", using the 1st letter of your last name as your identifier.
There were at least six different P-47's in the 56th that were coded HV-M from '42-'45; Gladych had at least three different
P-47's coded "M".
Regards,
Jon
I hate to disagree with you also!
There were two different pilots that had planes coded HV-M, Smith and Gladych. The one Smith flew was a P-47C, Gladych flew a D, I don't think he flew a "M", but not sure.
Smith changed his individual identifier from M to S on his D model, 42-28382, "Ole Cock III", as he was a squadron commander and that was one of the "perks", using the 1st letter of your last name as your identifier.
There were at least six different P-47's in the 56th that were coded HV-M from '42-'45; Gladych had at least three different
P-47's coded "M".
Regards,
Jon
05-28-2003, 12:50 AM
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Yes to both of you.. HOWEVER the pic that Ray posted has the penguin on the cowl and that seems to have been specific to Gladych. Though it's been an interesting day of learning from both you gents.
05-28-2003, 01:03 AM
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Hi,
I can't make out the nose art or the tail number from the drawing, the tail number in the article verald posted is a D model, which could be a razorback if it's a P-47D-22 or lower. If anyone can read it, let me know and I'll look it up.
Thanks,
Jon
I can't make out the nose art or the tail number from the drawing, the tail number in the article verald posted is a D model, which could be a razorback if it's a P-47D-22 or lower. If anyone can read it, let me know and I'll look it up.
Thanks,
Jon
05-28-2003, 04:03 PM
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F106A,
Sorry, I didn't mean to start a fight or anything... But do you have a way to look up more information or a good picture or drawing of Gladych's Pengie III? I'm building it, but I don't have much to go on for markings...
Sorry, I didn't mean to start a fight or anything... But do you have a way to look up more information or a good picture or drawing of Gladych's Pengie III? I'm building it, but I don't have much to go on for markings...
05-28-2003, 05:58 PM
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That was enlightening readying. 
I for one, would never have gotten a penguin out of the picture that I posted, but when the image was posted, it was easy to see it is the same. Thanks gentlemen.
Now to repeat the above, is there any other pictures out there? I would like to know if the fin flash in the picture I posted is accurate, as I would like to include it in the final detail when I get to painting.
Thanks again gentlemen,
Ray
I for one, would never have gotten a penguin out of the picture that I posted, but when the image was posted, it was easy to see it is the same. Thanks gentlemen.
Now to repeat the above, is there any other pictures out there? I would like to know if the fin flash in the picture I posted is accurate, as I would like to include it in the final detail when I get to painting.
Thanks again gentlemen,
Ray
05-28-2003, 06:29 PM
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Ray,
I have found that sometimes plastic model decals can help get this information clearer. Either the decal sheet or the placement sheet that accompanys them. I have used Squadron in the past and doing a quick search for Gladych reveale a set in 1/32 scale, one in 1/48 scale, and 3 sets in 1/72 scale.
http://www.squadron.com/SearchResult...dych&Submit=Go
If that link doesn't work just go to squadron.com and do a search on Gladych.
Hope this helps.
I was there myself doing a search for the 'Rabbit' color scheme of a p-47D bubble top (all metal scheme with red striped tail surfaces). I am going to build a little top flite p-47 for everyday flying and fun. Haven't built a 'kit' in ages!
Anyways, I see you're a cjm dealer....any leads on a cheap set of gear and struts for the lil TF jug? 
I have found that sometimes plastic model decals can help get this information clearer. Either the decal sheet or the placement sheet that accompanys them. I have used Squadron in the past and doing a quick search for Gladych reveale a set in 1/32 scale, one in 1/48 scale, and 3 sets in 1/72 scale.
http://www.squadron.com/SearchResult...dych&Submit=Go
If that link doesn't work just go to squadron.com and do a search on Gladych.
Hope this helps.
I was there myself doing a search for the 'Rabbit' color scheme of a p-47D bubble top (all metal scheme with red striped tail surfaces). I am going to build a little top flite p-47 for everyday flying and fun. Haven't built a 'kit' in ages!
Anyways, I see you're a cjm dealer....any leads on a cheap set of gear and struts for the lil TF jug?
05-28-2003, 06:39 PM
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I will check my resources when I get home tonight, I am pretty sure that I have all four Pengy schemes.
I don't have a scanner, but if I find it, I will post the book information.
I don't have a scanner, but if I find it, I will post the book information.
05-28-2003, 08:40 PM
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Hey Ray,
Go to this web site and click on "aeromaster decals" then pick the 1/48 scale. I think you will find what you are looking for in and amongst those listed on the 47.
John Redman
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www.aeromaster.com
Go to this web site and click on "aeromaster decals" then pick the 1/48 scale. I think you will find what you are looking for in and amongst those listed on the 47.
John Redman
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www.aeromaster.com
05-29-2003, 01:16 AM
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Hi Ray,
Here's a little trivia: Pengie was the nick-name of his girl-friend.
Here's another decal link for Pengie :
http://www.kithobbyist.com/largescal...cals/P-47D.htm
Unfortunately it's out of print, but you can try:
http://jadarhobby.waw.pl/e_portal/c_...0057b3575ee13a
They have it listed, but you'll have to send to Poland, really no big deal. I've ordered decals all over the world with no problem.
Another: http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/gladych/gladych.htm
The best info is from the source, the pilot. Unfortunately so many are gone, I know Mike was living in Seattle, Wa and was ill several years ago.
All the pilots I talked to, with the exception of one, were only to happy to provide info on their planes, and little stories that you'll never read in a book. It was really an honor to talk to them, we research history, they MADE history.
Regards,
Jon
Here's a little trivia: Pengie was the nick-name of his girl-friend.
Here's another decal link for Pengie :
http://www.kithobbyist.com/largescal...cals/P-47D.htm
Unfortunately it's out of print, but you can try:
http://jadarhobby.waw.pl/e_portal/c_...0057b3575ee13a
They have it listed, but you'll have to send to Poland, really no big deal. I've ordered decals all over the world with no problem.
Another: http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/gladych/gladych.htm
The best info is from the source, the pilot. Unfortunately so many are gone, I know Mike was living in Seattle, Wa and was ill several years ago.
All the pilots I talked to, with the exception of one, were only to happy to provide info on their planes, and little stories that you'll never read in a book. It was really an honor to talk to them, we research history, they MADE history.
Regards,
Jon
05-29-2003, 11:33 AM
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Jon,
Those links worked just fine for me. It's deceptive because they abbreviate the link to make it look chopped off (they use ... in the middle on here).
As guys are helping Ray find documentation on this bird, if any one comes across decals for the 'Rabbit" version bubble canopy please let me know. I have a really good color 3-view, however, looking at pics from a 1:48 scale Academy kit the logo is different on both sides. Thanks guys!!
Link 1
Link 2
Those links worked just fine for me. It's deceptive because they abbreviate the link to make it look chopped off (they use ... in the middle on here).
As guys are helping Ray find documentation on this bird, if any one comes across decals for the 'Rabbit" version bubble canopy please let me know. I have a really good color 3-view, however, looking at pics from a 1:48 scale Academy kit the logo is different on both sides. Thanks guys!!
Link 1
Link 2
05-29-2003, 11:44 AM
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Ray,
It looks like Verald has it right in post 5. It was a P-47D-22-RE. For hardcopy reference, I was I able to find it in Squadron/Signal publications #6076 "Thunderbolt, The Republic P-47 Thunderbolt in the European Theater," bu Ernest R. McDowell (ISBN 0-89747-393-0) on page 28, (Pengie II and Pengie IV are also shown here). So far, no pictures showing the black flash on any of the 56th group.
Page 5 has info on the 61st FS of the 56th FG of the 8th AF. It appears they were based in Kings Cliffe England During Dec 42 to Jan 43, and also worked from three other bases during their tour.
I am pretty sure I have another reference (on the 56th fighter group), but haven't located it yet. If I do, I will let you know!
It looks like Verald has it right in post 5. It was a P-47D-22-RE. For hardcopy reference, I was I able to find it in Squadron/Signal publications #6076 "Thunderbolt, The Republic P-47 Thunderbolt in the European Theater," bu Ernest R. McDowell (ISBN 0-89747-393-0) on page 28, (Pengie II and Pengie IV are also shown here). So far, no pictures showing the black flash on any of the 56th group.
Page 5 has info on the 61st FS of the 56th FG of the 8th AF. It appears they were based in Kings Cliffe England During Dec 42 to Jan 43, and also worked from three other bases during their tour.
I am pretty sure I have another reference (on the 56th fighter group), but haven't located it yet. If I do, I will let you know!
05-29-2003, 12:56 PM
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Hi Sean, Ray
I should have mentioned this earlier, but try posting your questions here, it's a pretty good resource for P-47's. I know I have seen RABBIT in my collection, but I've got so much stuff on the P-47 I just can't go throgh it all.
http://www.p47advocates.com/wwwboard.html
Regards,
Jon
I should have mentioned this earlier, but try posting your questions here, it's a pretty good resource for P-47's. I know I have seen RABBIT in my collection, but I've got so much stuff on the P-47 I just can't go throgh it all.
http://www.p47advocates.com/wwwboard.html
Regards,
Jon
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Sean, I have an Academy kit for "Eileen" and I discovered that their paint colors for that plane are incorrect!.. One of THE BEST for any Eight Air Force inof is Roger Freeman.. He has written books about the 8th and is The Authority.. from what I have been able to determine. Regards BobH.