SimonCraig1

Polikarpov I-16?

perttime

Polikarpov I-16 is correct!

Another Soviet warbird designed in prison
http://www.aviation-history.com/polikarpov/i16.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polikarpov_I-16

I promised "no blue and white roundels" but I suppose blue swastikas on white, on a captured aircraft don't count ...
There's a few I-16s restored to flying condition.
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Your turn, SimonCraig1.

SimonCraig1

The Spanish Civil War clue helped a lot....

This one is a bit off the wall so I'll start with a few clues....

1. I'm looking for two aeroplanes:
2. They were both given the same name but were from different manufacturers.
3. One was a trainer, the other a fighter.
4. They were operated by the same country though several decades apart.

SimonCraig1

1. I'm looking for two aeroplanes:
2. They were both given the same name but were from different manufacturers.
3. One was a trainer, the other a fighter.
4. They were built in and operated by the same country though several decades apart.
5. Though obsolete the fighter achieved some success against the Russians (including over the I-16).
6. The trainer was first supplied to a foreign airforce

SimonCraig1

1. I'm looking for two aeroplanes:
2. They were both given the same name but were from different manufacturers.
3. One was a trainer, the other a fighter.
4. They were built in and operated by the same country though several decades apart.
5. Though obsolete the fighter achieved some success against the Russians (including over the I-16).
6. The trainer was first supplied to a foreign airforce
7. The designer of this fighter also designed two other successful military aircraft before being killed flying a light aircraft he designed and built himself.

The Raven

I've seen these flying in Wanaka New Zealand and they are wonderful planes to watch. Landing can be a bit tricky but they are fantastic little aircraft, with a lovely 'round' sounding engine.

SimonCraig1

1. I'm looking for two aeroplanes:
2. They were both given the same name but were from different manufacturers.
3. One was a trainer, the other a fighter.
4. They were built in and operated by the same country though several decades apart.
5. Though obsolete the fighter achieved some success against the Russians (including over the I-16).
6. The trainer was first supplied to a foreign airforce
7. The designer of this fighter also designed two other successful military aircraft before being killed flying a light aircraft he designed and built himself.
8. He was the first person to fly powered flight in his country of birth, again in a plane he designed and built himself.

SimonCraig1

1. I'm looking for two aeroplanes:
2. They were both given the same name but were from different manufacturers.
3. One was a trainer, the other a fighter.
4. They were built in and operated by the same country though several decades apart.
5. Though obsolete the fighter achieved some success against the Russians (including over the I-16).
6. The trainer was first supplied to a foreign airforce
7. The designer of this fighter also designed two other successful military aircraft before being killed flying a light aircraft he designed and built himself.
8. He was the first person to fly powered flight in his country of birth, again in a plane he designed and built himself.
9. The fighter was flown by Basque Nationalists during the Spanish Civil War.
10. Amongst other places, the trainer was exported to Malaysia, the Middle East and Africa

SimonCraig1

1. I'm looking for two aeroplanes:
2. They were both given the same name but were from different manufacturers.
3. One was a trainer, the other a fighter.
4. They were built in and operated by the same country though several decades apart.
5. Though obsolete the fighter achieved some success against the Russians (including over the I-16).
6. The trainer was first supplied to a foreign airforce
7. The designer of this fighter also designed two other successful military aircraft before being killed flying a light aircraft he designed and built himself.
8. He was the first person to fly powered flight in his country of birth, again in a plane he designed and built himself.
9. The fighter was flown by Basque Nationalists during the Spanish Civil War.
10. Amongst other places, the trainer was exported to Malaysia, the Middle East and Africa
11. A famous flying ace's legend almost ended before it began while flying this fighter.

SimonCraig1

Last clue for a while.... (If you find figure out who the pilot is you'll get the aircraft.)

1. I'm looking for two aeroplanes:
2. They were both given the same name but were from different manufacturers.
3. One was a trainer, the other a fighter.
4. They were built in and operated by the same country though several decades apart.
5. Though obsolete the fighter achieved some success against the Russians (including over the I-16).
6. The trainer was first supplied to a foreign airforce
7. The designer of this fighter also designed two other successful military aircraft before being killed flying a light aircraft he designed and built himself.
8. He was the first person to fly powered flight in his country of birth, again in a plane he designed and built himself.
9. The fighter was flown by Basque Nationalists during the Spanish Civil War.
10. Amongst other places, the trainer was exported to Malaysia, the Middle East and Africa
11. A famous flying ace's legend almost ended before it began while flying this fighter.
12. The injuries he received became a focal part of his legend.

zippome

The Bristol Bulldog is the fighter, and the beagle Bulldog is the trainer. Took me awhile to remember Douglas Bader's name.Good question!
Thanks,
Zipp

SimonCraig1

bulldog it is, well done Zipp! You are up. (I'll put up some facts no Monday when I have more time at the keyboard.)

zippome

Ok guys ,here goes, This one shouldn't take long.


1 . This Warbird entered service in 1935,but did not get its name until 1941.
2. This aircraft was brought back from retirement when the successor to it's successor was a complete and miserable failure.

a65l

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JU-87

zippome

Not what I was looking for,sorry.
Ok guys ,here goes, This one shouldn't take long.


1 . This Warbird entered service in 1935,but did not get its name until 1941.
2. This aircraft was brought back from retirement when the successor to it's successor was a complete and miserable failure.
3. This was a naval aircraft.
4. 322 were built.

zippome

1 . This Warbird entered service in 1935,but did not get its name until 1941.
2. This aircraft was brought back from retirement when the successor to it's successor was a complete and miserable failure.
3. This was a naval aircraft.
4. 322 were built.
5. The name she was given was the same name given to 2 previous aircraft of the same manufacture.

The Raven

Curtiss SOC Seagull

Mein Duff

the Vindicator? ( or Wind Indicator)

zippome

The raven knows! The SOC seagull was replaced by the Os2u kingfisher and relegated to training duties.The kingfisher was to be replace by the curtiss seamew,but it was such a POS that many seagulls were brought back into front line service instead.
Good job Raven!

SimonCraig1

Just some additional information on the Bristol Bulldog and Douglas Bader....

5. Though obsolete the fighter achieved some success against the Russians (including over the I-16). Bulldogs were used by the Fins in the Winter War where they performed well against the Russians, probably due to better training of pilots as they were pretty well obsolete compared to the I-16.
7. The designer of this fighter also designed two other successful military aircraft before being killed flying a light aircraft he designed and built himself. Frank Barnwell also design the Bristol F.2 Fighter and the Blenhiem.
8. He was the first person to fly powered flight in his country of birth, again in a plane he designed and built himself. Actually I got this wrong it was his brother Harold who in 1909 flew in Scotland.

11. A famous flying ace's legend almost ended before it began while flying this fighter.
12. The injuries he received became a focal part of his legend.

Bader was almost killed performing a slow roll in a Bulldog at too low and altitude. He lost both his legs in the accident but through perseverance regained his flying rating and was operational on Hurricanes during the battle of France and the Battle of Britain. Shot down over France he lost one of his artificial legs when baling out. The Germans agreed to allow the RAF to drop a new leg for him, an event that was not quite a chivalrous as it seems as the RAF aircraft then went on to bomb a target in France. Despite his disability he became a notorious escapee eventually being imprisoned in Colditz Castle where he was incarcerated until liberated in 1945. Bader was credited with 20 aerial victories, four shared victories, six probables, one shared probable and 11 enemy aircraft damaged. His story is immortalised in 'Reach for the Sky', though he himself was first to admit that Kenneth Moore presented a very sanitised version of his character.

The Raven

Guys, can I pass on the next question as I have a rather hectic work week at the moment? First to post a question has it.

Ernie P.

My Feedback: (3)

An easy one, just to keep things rolling. I'll be late home this evening, but will follow up today. Thanks; Ernie P.


Although accounts vary, one of (if not the) largest single disasters of WWII may have been caused by a single aircraft. Certainly, it was caused by no more than three bombs.


Question: What aircraft caused the single largest one day loss of life among British forces during WWII?

Clues:

(1) It was a German aircraft.

(2) The incident occurred relatively early in the war.

SimonCraig1

JU 88 sinking of the Lancastria?

Ernie P.

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That's what I wanted. It's difficult to contenance over 4,000 people lost their lives, and yet the incident is almost unknown. Take it away, SimonCraig1. Thanks; Ernie P.


Although accounts vary, one of (if not the) largest single disasters of WWII may have been caused by a single aircraft. Certainly, it was caused by no more than three bombs.
Question: What aircraft caused the single largest one day loss of life among British forces during WWII?
Clues:
(1) It was a German aircraft.
(2) The incident occurred relatively early in the war.
(3) The German aircraft was a common type.
(4) Perhaps one, or as many as three, aircraft were directly involved. Certainly, no more than three bombs struck the target.



The RMS Lancastria was a British Cunard liner sunk on 17 June 1940 during World War II with the loss of an estimated 4,000 plus lives. It is the worst single loss of life in British maritime history and the bloodiest single engagement for UK forces (in terms of lives lost), in the whole conflict and claimed more lives than the combined losses of Titanic and Lusitania.

She was sunk off the French port of St. Nazaire while taking part in Operation Ariel, the evacuation of British nationals and troops from France, two weeks after the Dunkirk evacuation.

At 1:50 pm, during an air-raid, the nearby Oronsay a 20,000-ton Orient liner, was hit on the bridge by a German bomb. The Lancastria was free to depart and advised by the captain of the British destroyer HMS Havelock (H88) to leave, but without a destroyer escort against possible submarine attack, Sharp decided to wait.

A fresh air raid began before 4 pm. Lancastria was bombed at 15:48 by Junkers 88 aircraft from II. Gruppe/Kampfgeschwader 30. Three direct hits caused the ship to list first to starboard then to port; she rolled over and sank within twenty minutes. Over 1,400 tons of fuel oil leaked into the sea and was set partially on fire, possibly by strafing. Many drowned, were choked by the oil or were shot by the strafing German aircraft.

Survivors were taken aboard other evacuation vessels, the trawler Cambridgeshire rescuing 900. There were 2,477 survivors. The death toll accounted for roughly a third of the total losses of the British Expeditionary Force in France. She sank around 5 nmi (9.3 km) south of Chémoulin Point in the Charpentier roads, around 9 nmi (17 km) from St. Nazaire. The Lancastria Association Victim registers 1,738 deaths.

The immense loss of life was such that the British government banned any public announcements of the disaster through the D-Notice system, but the story was broken by the New York Times and The Scotsman newspapers on 26 July. The British press did then cover the story, including front pages of the Daily Herald (also on 26 July) and Sunday Express on 4 August; the latter included a photograph of the capsized ship with its upturned hull lined with men under the headline "Last Moments of the Greatest Sea Tragedy of All Time". Due to the imposition of the D-Notice, survivors and the crews of the ships that had gone to the aid of Lancastria did not discuss the disaster at the time due to the fear of court martial. The British Government has refused to make the site a war grave under the Protection of Military Remains Act 1986 although documents obtained under the Freedom of Information show that it could be done. The French Government recently placed an exclusion zone around the wreck site. In July 2007 another request for documents held by the Ministry of Defense related to the sinking was rejected by the British Government.

SimonCraig1

Yes one of Churchill's lesser known follies was to send reinforcements to Western France after Dunkirk.

So this one is a bit different and hopefully a bit of fun! Post how many of these can you get right, the highest gets to go next! I only got 13

http://www.wwiaviation.com/quiz/wwiquiz1.html