Knowledge Quiz for Warbird wiz
Awesome job, Top Gunn! It's the Yak-3!!
Here are my clues:
1. The most common variant had a mixed armament of cannon and machine guns.
2. Many variants of this aircraft were created, but only a few made it to production.
3. Developed to address resource shortages.
4. Loved by groundcrew.
5. Notable for being an excellent dogfighter.
6. Single engine. However, one variant had 2 engines.
7. Early models were mixed contruction, but later variants were all-metal.
8. Loved by both novice and experienced pilots.
4. Had a very good success rate against the enemy.
5. Notable for a high production number.
6. Flown at one point by a Group of the Free French.
7. First entered in service in 1944
8. Last produced in 2002.
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-3
So please take it away, Top Gunn!!
Here are my clues:
1. The most common variant had a mixed armament of cannon and machine guns.
2. Many variants of this aircraft were created, but only a few made it to production.
3. Developed to address resource shortages.
4. Loved by groundcrew.
5. Notable for being an excellent dogfighter.
6. Single engine. However, one variant had 2 engines.
7. Early models were mixed contruction, but later variants were all-metal.
8. Loved by both novice and experienced pilots.
4. Had a very good success rate against the enemy.
5. Notable for a high production number.
6. Flown at one point by a Group of the Free French.
7. First entered in service in 1944
8. Last produced in 2002.
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-3
So please take it away, Top Gunn!!
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I'll try to get a question together today. Have a plane in mind, but not a good set of questions yet. If someone else would like to jump in with a question, I'll be happy to save mine for later.
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OK, here we go again!
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
Good luck!!
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
Good luck!!
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Today's clue
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
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I was thinking WWII, didn't think about after that since IT WAS the first jet fighter used by England and it didn't really see combat, other than chasing down "Buzz Bombs"
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Not the Meteor.
Today's clue
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
Today's clue
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
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Today's clue. Plus a somewhat clarifying clue.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
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Today's clue. Plus a somewhat clarifying clue.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
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Today's clue.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
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Today's clue.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
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Today's clue, which should make this easier.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
10. The main difference between this airplane and the one it was derived from was the engine used.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
10. The main difference between this airplane and the one it was derived from was the engine used.
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Not the P-35, but your guess earns another clue:
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
10. The main difference between this airplane and the one it was derived from was the engine used.
11. It shares a distinction with one other airplane, which was manufactured in a different country and which served in that country's air force for several years.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
10. The main difference between this airplane and the one it was derived from was the engine used.
11. It shares a distinction with one other airplane, which was manufactured in a different country and which served in that country's air force for several years.
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Not the P-35, but your guess earns another clue:
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
10. The main difference between this airplane and the one it was derived from was the engine used.
11. It shares a distinction with one other airplane, which was manufactured in a different country and which served in that country's air force for several years.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
10. The main difference between this airplane and the one it was derived from was the engine used.
11. It shares a distinction with one other airplane, which was manufactured in a different country and which served in that country's air force for several years.
Answer: The Saab 21 (And its successor, the jet powered J 21R) and the de Haviland Vampire; which shared the same engine as the J 21R.
The SAAB 21 was a Swedish fighter/attack aircraft from SAAB that first took to the air in 1943. It was designed as a twin boompusher configuration, where the propeller was mounted in the rear of the fuselage, pushing the aircraft forward.
Design and development
Sweden wished to ensure its continued neutrality through a policy of armed strength during World War II but was effectively denied access to foreign weapons. The original design studies began in 1939, based around the use of a Bristol Taurus engine within the center fuselage, behind the pilot, driving a pusher propeller. The project remained dormant until 1941. In response to the need for air defence, and faced with the prospect of imported designs being unavailable due to the war, Sweden undertook an indigenous rearmament program including an advanced fighter. The low-wing monoplane Saab 21 fighter was ultimately designed around a license-produced version of the Daimler-Benz DB 605B engine, featured innovations such as tricycle landing gear, heavy forward-firing armament, ejector seat, and a twin-boom pusher layout that later allowed the type to be modified with a turbojet engine.
The advantages of a pusher design are that the view forward is unobstructed and armament can be concentrated in the nose, while a major drawback is difficulty in escaping from the aircraft in an emergency, as the pilot could get drawn into the propeller blades. Saab deliberated between systems that would eject the pilot, or jettison the propeller or the engine, via a system of explosive bolts, and eventually installed an early ejector seat developed by Bofors for the purpose and tested in 1943.
In 1947, the aircraft was extensively redesigned with over 50% airframe, tailplane and wing changes and fitted with a de Havilland Goblinturbojet, acquiring the new designation Saab J 21R.
Operational history
The first of three J 21 prototypes flew on 30 July 1943 flown by SAAB test pilot Claes Smith. During the takeoff, the wrong flap setting resulted in the prototype running into a fence at the end of the runway, damaging one of the landing gears. The subsequent test flight ended with a successful landing on the undamaged undercarriage units. A total of 54 J 21A-1 fighters constructed at the main plant in Trollhδttan were delivered from December 1945, followed by 124 and 119 examples respectively of the J 21A-2 with revised armament and the J 21A-3 fighter-bomber.
Utilized mainly in the bomber role, the limitation of the design led to a proposed front-engine replacement, the J 23. An evaluation of the two designs led to the decision to retain the J 21 series but to consider the modification of the airframe to accommodate a jet engine. While production line J 21A series aircraft were first selected for conversion, the initial piston-engine version continued in production in five series "batches" that were completed in 1948–49. In service use, the J 21A was phased out after 1954.
The de Havilland Vampire is a British jet fighter developed and manufactured by the de Havilland Aircraft Company. Work on the aircraft began during the Second World War as a largely experimental aircraft suitable for combat that harnessed the groundbreaking innovation of jet propulsion; it was quickly decided to opt for a single-engine, twin-boom aircraft equipped with the Halford H.1turbojet engine (later produced by de Havilland as the "Goblin" ). Originally ordered as an experimental aircraft only, the decision to mass-produce the aircraft as an interceptor for the Royal Air Force (RAF) was finalised in May 1944.
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Very close Ernie! But not quite there. This clue should do it, I think.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
10. The main difference between this airplane and the one it was derived from was the engine used.
11. It shares a distinction with one other airplane, which was manufactured in a different country and which served in that country's air force for several years.
12. It was used primarily as a trainer.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
10. The main difference between this airplane and the one it was derived from was the engine used.
11. It shares a distinction with one other airplane, which was manufactured in a different country and which served in that country's air force for several years.
12. It was used primarily as a trainer.
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This morning's clue:
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
10. The main difference between this airplane and the one it was derived from was the engine used.
11. It shares a distinction with one other airplane, which was manufactured in a different country and which served in that country's air force for several years.
12. It was used primarily as a trainer.
13. It was its country's second plane of its type to fly and the first plane of its type to become operational with the one air force that used it.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
10. The main difference between this airplane and the one it was derived from was the engine used.
11. It shares a distinction with one other airplane, which was manufactured in a different country and which served in that country's air force for several years.
12. It was used primarily as a trainer.
13. It was its country's second plane of its type to fly and the first plane of its type to become operational with the one air force that used it.
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No guesses today, so here, instead of another clue (I'm running out), here's a tip: Clues 8 and 10 together should narrow this down to two airplanes. Clue 12 or clue 13 should then let you pick the right one.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
10. The main difference between this airplane and the one it was derived from was the engine used.
11. It shares a distinction with one other airplane, which was manufactured in a different country and which served in that country's air force for several years.
12. It was used primarily as a trainer.
13. It was its country's second plane of its type to fly and the first plane of its type to become operational with the one air force that used it.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
10. The main difference between this airplane and the one it was derived from was the engine used.
11. It shares a distinction with one other airplane, which was manufactured in a different country and which served in that country's air force for several years.
12. It was used primarily as a trainer.
13. It was its country's second plane of its type to fly and the first plane of its type to become operational with the one air force that used it.
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Today's clue. And remember, clues 8 and 10 together, plus today's clue, are the biggies).
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
10. The main difference between this airplane and the one it was derived from was the engine used.
11. It shares a distinction with one other airplane, which was manufactured in a different country and which served in that country's air force for several years.
12. It was used primarily as a trainer.
13. It was its country's second plane of its type to fly and the first plane of its type to become operational with the one air force that used it.
14. The engine used in most of them was a reverse-engineered version of one used by its country's principal enemy in a recently concluded war. While the sources I've found are not entirely clear, my impression is that the first one (or possibly more) of these to fly used a captured engine of the type that was then reverse engineered.
Looking for the name of an aircraft.
1. Designed to be a fighter.
2. But almost certainly never used in combat.
3. Although one pilot claimed to have shot one down during a war.
4. Single seat. A two-seat version was manufactured, but it was given a different designation.
5. It was fast (for its time), aerobatic, easy to fly, and armed with cannons.
6. Clarifying Clue no. 5: Not extremely fast, because its wing was thicker than ideal, but reasonably fast.
7. Its main shortcoming, as a fighter, was limited range.
8. It was based in large part on an earlier and very successful fighter from the same manufacturer.
9. Only a few hundred built. One survives, in a museum.
10. The main difference between this airplane and the one it was derived from was the engine used.
11. It shares a distinction with one other airplane, which was manufactured in a different country and which served in that country's air force for several years.
12. It was used primarily as a trainer.
13. It was its country's second plane of its type to fly and the first plane of its type to become operational with the one air force that used it.
14. The engine used in most of them was a reverse-engineered version of one used by its country's principal enemy in a recently concluded war. While the sources I've found are not entirely clear, my impression is that the first one (or possibly more) of these to fly used a captured engine of the type that was then reverse engineered.
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Top_Gunn; if it wasn't the Saab J 21R, I guess it must be the Yak-15; the only other piston engined plane to be converted to jet power. Thanks; Ernie P.
Answer: The Yak-15
The Yakovlev Yak-15 (Russian: Яковлев Як-15; NATO reporting name: Feather, USAF/DOD designation Type 2) was a first-generationSoviet turbojet fighter developed by the Yakovlevdesign bureau (OKB) immediately after World War II. It used a reverse-engineered German Junkers Jumo 004 engine. Along with the Swedish Saab 21R, it was one of only two jets to be successfully converted from a piston-powered aircraft and enter production. 280 aircraft were built in 1947. Although nominally a fighter, it was mainly used to qualify piston-engine-experienced pilots to fly jets.
Answer: The Yak-15
The Yakovlev Yak-15 (Russian: Яковлев Як-15; NATO reporting name: Feather, USAF/DOD designation Type 2) was a first-generationSoviet turbojet fighter developed by the Yakovlevdesign bureau (OKB) immediately after World War II. It used a reverse-engineered German Junkers Jumo 004 engine. Along with the Swedish Saab 21R, it was one of only two jets to be successfully converted from a piston-powered aircraft and enter production. 280 aircraft were built in 1947. Although nominally a fighter, it was mainly used to qualify piston-engine-experienced pilots to fly jets.
I was thinking a Soviet era plane as well, considering they reverse-engineered the B-29 and it's P&W Wasp Majors. The copying was so detailed that everything was included, right down to the P&W logo plates on the front of the engine crank cases. The planes used as source material to do the reverse-engineering were three that were interned late in WWII due to battle damage and fuel issues after bombing raids over Manchuria. One was disassembled and used for patterns, one was used as a trainer for Soviet crew training while the third was used for flight testing and as a sample to show the people in the manufacturing plants how to put the planes together
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