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Vendetta Brushless motors... pros/cons

Old 03-31-2007, 12:42 AM
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Default Vendetta Brushless motors... pros/cons

this is just my take on things.. not the word of god.. just what i have experienced ,,so take it with a grain of salt.. and with the introduction of the new ST im sure many ppl will want to find a good BL motor to put in there..

testing was at socal raceway a dirt track offroad supercross style track for 10th scale electrics

the buggy is sitting on half8th buggy wheels with proline crime fighter tires
the truggy is sitting on half8th ST wheels with the tires that come stock with it.. kyosho,,3racing

MAMBA 8000kv,, first brushless i tried in the detta
pro- vry fast.. would have been great if it were a 400 can
cons- extreme heat from usage
gearing-12/49

WRAITH 7K,, second brushless once the 8000kv died
pro- just as fast as the 8000kv
cons - another extremely hot motor
gearing -12/49 made it hot but 13/49 made it smokin hot

GH4700,, third motor.. perfect fit,, loved the heat sink
pro,- fast motor not as fast as 8000kv but still fast,, cooled down really fast for the buggy
con- hot.. heat issues,, did not like the half8th ST tires on the vendetta ST
gearing- 19/45 good for buggy bad for truggy even 16/45 was bad extreme heat and not fast at all

AON4900,, fourth motor after gh4700 died,, i thought this was the ticket
pro- fast but not what i thought,, i expected great things from this motor.. it was ok.. prfferred the gh4700 over this one.
con- i idnt expect it to get as hot as it did.. and the claims of it being a torque monster , it just didnt like the gearing
gearing-19/45

GH3600,, tried this motor on the on the buggy and it was decent i was shocked ,,,
pro - decent speed for the buggy and more than decent for the truggy
gearing - 19/41 for both the buggy and truggy

AMMO 28-35-3900,,,, best thing sinced sliced bread.. this is the mamba 8000kv for the truggy,,
pro- really fast.. impressed with its speed ,, i use this motor to race with
con- gets a lil warmer than i want.. but not anywhere near the heat of the others up top,, ball diffs are needed

PERMAX 400/4D,,,, this would be the C4 for the buggy and truggy,, this thing continues to impress me
pro-can be geared for whatever track.. stays cooler than any motor i have used ,, this is extremely awesom
con- price,, and i cant get it to heat up,, have to upgrade to ball diffs
gearing -buggy 16/41,,19/45,,1941. truggy 16/41,,19/45(which im scared to try.. dont know what i will break)
Old 03-31-2007, 10:24 AM
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Default RE: Vendetta Brushless motors... pros/cons

One thing I would add for the Permax, that not only is it crazy fast, but it is a torque monster. I've run it at 19/45 in the ST and it's just wild. Even at 19/45, there is still room to gear it faster. I may gear it higher at some time just to see how fast the ST really gets going. Running it at 16/45 in the ST, it wheelies at 20+ MPH. Man, I love this motor.
Old 03-31-2007, 11:51 AM
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Default RE: Vendetta Brushless motors... pros/cons

are you using the stock wheels.. or the half8th ST wheels..
Old 03-31-2007, 02:14 PM
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Default RE: Vendetta Brushless motors... pros/cons

jaejw1, Nice list of motors.............
Old 03-31-2007, 10:35 PM
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I've done some speed runs with the stockers, those were the 19/45 runs. I've done some runs with 16/45 on 1/10th wheels that I had used for my mlst. When on the track, I've been using the stockers.
Old 04-01-2007, 07:20 AM
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thanks jaejw1, great info that will save others lots of time and $$. Now. Where to get the Permax and associated speed controller?? Links?
Old 04-01-2007, 10:06 AM
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permax from towerhobbies..
associated esc.. not sure.. why would you want to use that
Old 04-01-2007, 11:59 AM
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im sure glad that someone else has taken the expense and time to figure this bl stuff out. i have just finished toasting two 6800 kv mambas and am not sure what to do. i have a vendetta buggy that i race dirt oval and am new to electric and real new to bl. since i have a mamba 25 esc does anybody know if it would work with the permax 400/4d? that would save me a little $. i am running 12/45 and have 13 and 16 pinions also. thanks for any help you can offer!
Old 04-01-2007, 01:01 PM
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where did you guys get the permax motor? jaejw1 nice list but it would help more if you add the shafth size on each one. just a thougth
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NITRO just get a great planes AMMO AND YOU WILL BE FINE,,,,, with the detta with stock wheels I would gear it at 20/41 or 21/41,,,,, that is if you are stuck usong the mamba motor

RACINGT,,
the mamba 2mm
the wraith7k I think is 2mm been a long time since I used it
the gh4700 and gh3600 have 2.3mm shafts
the ammo AND permax both have 3.2mm shafts
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thanks jaejw1, where do you get the different spurs for the vendetta? do you have a part # for the 41 tooth? do you use the 3.2 pinions with the ammo? does RR make them? sorry for so many questions but need to get it fixed for next weekend. again thanks for the help!

are there any mods necessary to use the ammo other than pinion shaft dia?
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rcmart.com or rcraceday.com sells the spur kit...
robinson racing makes all the metric pinions you would want to play with,, check on towerhobbies
the ammo is almost a direct drop in,, just need to cut about 3mm's off the shaft since it is a lil too long,,,

other than that all your other hopups should have been done
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thanks for your help! now i can go after all those 18t/b cars again.
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NITRO,,,, what wheels and tires aren'tyou using,,,, you racing onroad or offroad?
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Will the AMMO 28-35 Run with a 6-cell
it says input voltage 7.4-11.1v
and will that work with a mamba esc?
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the 28-35-3900 ammo works perfectly with the mamba esc,,,,

also 6 cells are fine that is all I use,,,, if it cant happen with 7.2v or 7.4v then I need to do something or change something,,,,,, I dont like putting a bandaide on it by adding more cells,,, its cheaper to buy a larger pinion
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Would the Align 430L work in the Vendetta or the Mini Quake?
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Here is a link to the 430L http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...rodID=AGNM4365
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well it is an outrunner.. and from what i have been told they have tons of torque.. just make sure your esc can deal with it.. i know the quark has a seperat setting for outrunners.
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its a really low kv.. lower than i would go.. might be hard to gear it right.. i wouldnt use it in the buggy.. maybe the truggy with big tires,,
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I was thinking about using it in a Mini Quake.
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yeah. just contact castle and make sure the mamba esc with accept an outrunner... you might have to gear it like 21/41 or something insane like that
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jaejw1 i am using the hpi mini star and hpi mini super radial tire which are the same od as the detta tires just wider and less prone to ballon. i race on an inside banked dirt oval with damp surface about 60' straight aways and the track is paper clip shaped. RC Thunder Dome www.heartlandrc.com
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wow.. will dirt tires work for you.. like the half8th buggy wheels. with crime fighters from proline
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jaejw1 i have a set but didnt like the wheel adaptors. i streched the crimefighters on some tc wheels and ran them on my tc3 but since i really stink at driving it my opinion is not worth much and most of the other tc drivers run hpi rally tires .

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