carwood444

New 1/2a shrike. AP 061 wasp engine.

combatpigg

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Looks great! I would like to fly a full size version of that plane with about 16 foot of span.

flyinrog

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Looks good! its on my list of 20 planes that I started and then went to something else....Rog

ptulmer

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[8D]That's a cool idea...

KidEpoxy

well, covering that would be one way to use up some of a 1000' of duculam order Bluefoam swisscheese ribs @20" & a dirt bike engine? Just how tall does the grass need to be to Bellyland a 16' Shrike

Carrwood- Nice plane... all them stickers reminde me of an old Mustang or Cuda with Holley, MSD, & the Thrush Woodpecker stickers.

combatpigg

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Wouldn't that make a cool looking plane? It would be the sportiest looking plane at OUR local airport.......get one of those Subaru engines......or a Mazda rotary......man......[8D]

KidEpoxy

I would think an old single RM500 engine would keep the RC look with just one giant cylinder... if you can find that classic these days of water 4strokes.

Maybe some Ralley Stripes or Blackout Hood... er Blackout Hatch for the mini shrike to really get the musclecar genre look. Is that a Shrike RS or SS.

skaliwag

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CP.... I believe RANS did something on these lines maybe 15 years ago... I will have to dig out my old Kit Planes mags and have a look.
Hey .... I may be at you "Local" airport on 4th July w/end for the EAA meeting...We have been invited and have freinds in Issaquah.

skaliwag

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Found the mag... Kitplanes Jan '93. It was the RANS-11. Not quite as I thought it was but interesting any way. I will scan the article tommorrow and post.

Hydro Junkie

Is that when the EAA fly in is this year? I may have to go check it out for once. CP, you going to be there? We might have to actually get together with some R/Cs and play a little. That is if the airport and EAA zebras will let us

DICKEYBIRD

H/J, if C/P shows up you better warn them EAA fellers. He'll be the one going around tying bedsheet streamers behind all the homebuilts and begging everybody to come up and fly combat with him!

combatpigg

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Skaliwag, I guess the sub sonic inefficiencies of deltas shows up big in full scale sport planes, or else wouldn't we see more [some] of them buzzing around?

HJ, sounds good to me......it's been a few years since I paid to go in, the airshow is basically all around us for weeks before and after the show, they practice over my house [that's when I have sent up a streamered plane to join in]. Just let me know, I'm usually found flying in a hay field just off Smokey Pt. Blvd., 5 miles or so from the airport.

DB, in order to get any action, I'll probably have to show up with 2 full sized SHRIKES, all streamered up and ready to go......

BMatthews

CP. there's been a few deltas in the homebuilt field over the years. Not sure why they don't catch on. There was a serious looking highly tapered Lippisch style one with a little flat four in it way back in the 50's that I remember. Then there is the Dyke Delta (do a google for lots of info on the Dyke). And finally more recently we have the Barnaby Wainfan Facetmobile which is a big ultralight spec delta. Perhaps some more reading about the pros and cons would turn up more info.

A lightly built "what if" sort of scale model could be used for a test of this sort of thing.

I suspect that a factor is the deep stall charactaristics of the delta planform. I understand that it takes some extra power, time and height to recover from the safe but strongly draggy descent and get the delta back up on the step. Think power boats trying to rise up out of the hole and get on the plane. They take quite a bit of power to get over their own bow wave and once past that you can turn down the power quite a bit and still stay on the plane.

skaliwag

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Found the Mag... Called RANS-11. It Crashed. This is the accident report.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?...97LA302&akey=1

And pics.

combatpigg

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Thanks for digging up that article, it was both interesting and scary........I hate it when the cause can't be determined! [>:]! I guess a ton of money spent on wind tunnel testing would uncover inherent flaws before some poor guy has to risk his neck. I don't know anything about planes this size, but you would think that 700 feet would give a little plane like that enough space to get going if the power is still there.

scudrunner77

Wicked looking plane... Looks like it might be a good one for someone to try for the contest sometime.

Sounds to me that since they had just modified the wings to try and get the stall speed down that the pilot was trying to determine the new stall speed at a very low altitude. Stalling and accidentally entering a spin at 700ft would be very dangerous. ...with the high stall speed the plane has, I think it's just that much more air your going to eat up trying to recover from the stall. It would be nice to know that something "broke" .

KidEpoxy

pilot was trying to determine the new stall speed at a very low altitude
well, the chase pilot said he saw mushy dutch rolls, sounds like the pilot was testing slow responsiveness without actually doing the stall manuever.... but ended up in one. Just a guess, but had the pilot just done a stall rather than get stalled while dutch controlled, could have avoided the spin easier. All in all, sounds like a testflight of new stall speed & not a pleasure ride to me.

scudrunner77

Yea maybe the stall was not intensional, but whatever he was doing..... testing the limits of the plane at 700ft...[:-]

hogflyer

Doing stalls in any plane below 2500' agl is nuts. Granted a sharp pilot will recover in 50' to 300' depending upon the plane, depth of stall, etc., but in a case where the stall has not been throughly tested and documented by a professional test pilot since the modification the plane should have been at 3000' to 5000' agl. In a Cessna C-152 Aerobat I usually lost 1500' in a 3-turn spin with a normal power-off recovery and a 1 turn spin and recovery would loose at least 800', and a lot more on a very hot high density altitude day. I usually practiced aerobatics at 5000' agl just to have enough altitude to bail out if something went wrong.

KidEpoxy

Whatever he was doing, he shouldn't have been doing it at 700': That we can agree on

The tough part is to make a 250lb Shrike that wont go over the ~60 speed limit for part103 Heck, even our lil ones blow that limit . Maybe instead of a 277rotax use a 33Homelite on that smoothe airframe to go slow enough
---gonna need more than hay to belly that kind of thing in safe... maybe some of that 10' corn... dunno

scudrunner77

Thanks for the numbers hogflyer. The only maneuver I like at 700 AGL is turning base. There was/is a C-152 Aerobat at one of the FBO's at Boeing field where I took my flight lessons and I always wanted to go up in it for an intro to motion sickness but putting a 152 though aerobatics just seems weird to me. I bet it is fun though!

Sportwerks Racer

Hey, Does it fly?