The Pee Wee Pal Remember?
07-24-2006, 06:52 AM
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The Pee Wee Pal Remember?
When I was looking up some of the history of the Cox engines Dad sent me an old 1958 M.A.N. article reviewing the then new Cox Pee Wee .020. A few pages over was this little free flight model specially designed for the new .020. I have kept the article and plans for a while and finally got the time to put one together. This little bird will have rudder only control of which I am still working out the linkage. Covered in tissue and dope (I love this stuff!) Cute as a button it too should make it out to Rog's flyin next month!! Construction time was about 3 nights!! I am still holding out for a Trexler 1-1/2 wheel though!!
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07-24-2006, 12:23 PM
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That looks very useable ,with Bipe Flyers Tile print program ,a person can scale it to any size they need. Might be neat ,as a Cox 0.049" model..Make a whole family of them.PaPa,Mama,Babe Bee.??
07-24-2006, 01:15 PM
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There's a hi rez scan available in the free plans area of www.smallflyingarts.com . Enjoy
07-24-2006, 06:23 PM
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Hey Bob, nice job! Gee, who knew that you liked them olde jobs .
I too like the look (and even the feel) of a "real" tissue and dope finish, but I can't handle the fumes anymore and working outside is not practical for me here in buggy, sweaty NC - even with plasticizer and a fan. So I have been playing with alternatives to dope; water-based polyurethane and Future floor polish. WBP sags over open areas and Future isn't fuel proof - at least in my little tests. I suspect that you use Butyrate for final coats anyway but I was wondering if you or anyone else out there in ether-land knows of a light, color-less, non-toxic, non-loosening, liquid final coat?
I have tried a sample open panel of Futured-tissue then topped with laminating film but its too heavy for our Sml Brds and looks kinda shiney anyway - but it would sure 'nough be fuel proof. Might try it on the Gramps I hope to build for your next Mid-South Old Time event next year.
Also, anyone have comments on turbulators for a SWR? I'm thinking of this as a possible solution if my stubby, thin wing, rudder/elevator Sheetface shows any snapping tendency in tight turns.
Whatcha think youse all? As always I stand by my offer of huge monetary rewards for any information provided.
. I too like the look (and even the feel) of a "real" tissue and dope finish, but I can't handle the fumes anymore and working outside is not practical for me here in buggy, sweaty NC - even with plasticizer and a fan. So I have been playing with alternatives to dope; water-based polyurethane and Future floor polish. WBP sags over open areas and Future isn't fuel proof - at least in my little tests. I suspect that you use Butyrate for final coats anyway but I was wondering if you or anyone else out there in ether-land knows of a light, color-less, non-toxic, non-loosening, liquid final coat?
I have tried a sample open panel of Futured-tissue then topped with laminating film but its too heavy for our Sml Brds and looks kinda shiney anyway - but it would sure 'nough be fuel proof. Might try it on the Gramps I hope to build for your next Mid-South Old Time event next year.
Also, anyone have comments on turbulators for a SWR? I'm thinking of this as a possible solution if my stubby, thin wing, rudder/elevator Sheetface shows any snapping tendency in tight turns.
Whatcha think youse all? As always I stand by my offer of huge monetary rewards for any information provided.
07-24-2006, 09:39 PM
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RE: The Pee Wee Pal Remember?
Bob, where did you balance it? Lots of these old plans don't bother showing the CG. I would guess with a lifting stab, it would be pretty far aft.
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07-24-2006, 10:28 PM
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Well Big Al, I will start the trial balance at the spar location unless Injunnut1 can give us some more info as I see he has a beautiful Pal also. I was going to add the windows and may even paint them on later just was wanting somewhere to locate the radio and servo. I hope to use an old Digit Migit single channel radio as I can't get the linkage loose enough for a pulser system for both rudders.
Raymond funny thing in the same magazine there is a page showing someone putting a camera in an old Gramps with an Arden .19!!
I’ve had this model built for a while but was waiting to get some tissue. I was in CA. a few weeks back and had planned to go by Tony and Addie’s hobby shop for it as they had the best old time shop I have been visited in nearly 30 years. My last visit I could not stay long but Tony did give me a NIB C&S receiver for my collection which I hope to match up with a Mule tranny for some flyin!!. His shop had all sorts of oldie models from the PT-17 controline with the Morton M5 on the front to the old free flight tissue covered models. Ah the smell brought back so many memories of the old hobby shop Dad and I went to when I was just a chap!! His mom Addie was even covering a flying wing free flight while I was there!!
Unfortunately when I arrived the note on the door said he had closed as of April. A sad day in the modeling world. A peak into the window still showed many models still hanging up so I guess he has not emptied the building out yet. Just think of the treasures he will find when he does!!!
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Raymond funny thing in the same magazine there is a page showing someone putting a camera in an old Gramps with an Arden .19!!
I’ve had this model built for a while but was waiting to get some tissue. I was in CA. a few weeks back and had planned to go by Tony and Addie’s hobby shop for it as they had the best old time shop I have been visited in nearly 30 years. My last visit I could not stay long but Tony did give me a NIB C&S receiver for my collection which I hope to match up with a Mule tranny for some flyin!!. His shop had all sorts of oldie models from the PT-17 controline with the Morton M5 on the front to the old free flight tissue covered models. Ah the smell brought back so many memories of the old hobby shop Dad and I went to when I was just a chap!! His mom Addie was even covering a flying wing free flight while I was there!!
Unfortunately when I arrived the note on the door said he had closed as of April. A sad day in the modeling world. A peak into the window still showed many models still hanging up so I guess he has not emptied the building out yet. Just think of the treasures he will find when he does!!!
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07-24-2006, 11:00 PM
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Very nice models Bob and injunnut1.
That copy of the plans on the smallflyingarts site opened in Photoshop double sized I guess because of the GIF/72dpi issue. You'll need to resize the file using the scale on the plans before printing. FWIW, I made a copy the correct size, rotated the drawing and thinned the lines a bit. I can email to anyone who wants it but it's a bit over 2mb.
That copy of the plans on the smallflyingarts site opened in Photoshop double sized I guess because of the GIF/72dpi issue. You'll need to resize the file using the scale on the plans before printing. FWIW, I made a copy the correct size, rotated the drawing and thinned the lines a bit. I can email to anyone who wants it but it's a bit over 2mb.
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>Well Big Al, I will start the trial balance at the spar location unless Injunnut1 can give us some more info as I see he has a beautiful Pal also.<
Bob,
That is not my model, so sorry to say I can not help you. I believe I snatched that photo off the SAMTalk Forum. I had thought Walter noted the CG in the original magazine article, but I can not find it now?
Bob,
That is not my model, so sorry to say I can not help you. I believe I snatched that photo off the SAMTalk Forum. I had thought Walter noted the CG in the original magazine article, but I can not find it now?
07-25-2006, 11:24 AM
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Well, Steve I did not draw this one up on CAD and set up a laser file seeing how the construction can get a bit irritating. If Dan wants it I guess I can work something up! I just have a few models I always wanted to build and just did not have time when I had Early RC. Right now Dan has his hands full trying to get everything going so maybe down the road!!
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07-25-2006, 02:48 PM
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Bob, given it's free flight contest model like looks I suspect you'll end up with the CG back around the 50 or even 60% point. Certainly starting at around 40% and doing some dive testing will soon tell you what is what.
Oops, just read the bit about rudder only. In that case probably around 30% and lots of angular decalage to ensure a nice "built in up elevator" and the usual HUGE downthrust angles.
Oops, just read the bit about rudder only. In that case probably around 30% and lots of angular decalage to ensure a nice "built in up elevator" and the usual HUGE downthrust angles.
07-25-2006, 08:15 PM
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RE: The Pee Wee Pal Remember?
Bob- Alittle bit off topic but I just now completed the
maiden flight on your Willard Schoolboy in the vacant
lot down the street. Sure brought back memories,
thanks for reviving a great little airplane.
maiden flight on your Willard Schoolboy in the vacant
lot down the street. Sure brought back memories,
thanks for reviving a great little airplane.
07-26-2006, 11:43 AM
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Mylamo, glad to see you having fun with the little School Boy. Hope to finish up that project with the School Master soon. I am just giving Dan the new owner of Early RC some time to get caught up and settled in before hitting him up with a few more 1/2A designs!!
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RE: The Pee Wee Pal Remember?
Geezers have time. I really enjoyed the kit, the
wood selection could not have been better. Came in
at 10 oz. with seven coats of butyrate and tissue trim,
berg receiver and 3 HS 55's, 370 mah nimh.
I really enjoyed the kit, thewood selection could not have been better. Came in
at 10 oz. with seven coats of butyrate and tissue trim,
berg receiver and 3 HS 55's, 370 mah nimh.
