dditch, I just looked at the xheli site. the 450 carbon se is out of stock. unless you order it with the case which i already have. so it looks like my decision will be between the 450 plastic or the 450 pro cf.

i know you like the se because you can use the 9g servo on the tail, where mods would be necessary on the pro, but i was planning on using the ds-016 for the tail. would mods still be necessary to the pro for that tail servo?