those were just the two initial planes i was looking at thats all was just looking for your feedback is all because although the general chatter was toward a pattern plane there was also talk about the wing loading being a big factor, i am not opposed to how the landings can be tricky handling roll outs and what not i guess i didnt explane my expectations very well, i dont think i am specifically looking for an airplane the doesnt get bothered by the wind at all just at least want one that is stable in the windy conditions even full size planes get blown around. so i am also going to look at a pattern type plane and even a warbird that was mentioned earlier.