Yes it does "upset" me when people, that represent a portion of my life that I love to share with others, starts making statements that minimizes others. As far as being "toys", if the only purpose of the item is personal enjoyment, then yes they are toys. Very expensive and complex toys, and that in no way minimizes them as many full scale aircraft are also toys. I have seen the "R/C'ers are not pilots" on numerous posts, and they do "seem" to have strong feelings on the subject. You did, however, say "The pilot, and you don't have to keep saying full scale pilot, there was only one "pilot" involved. The other guy, is just an operator of a R/C model airplane." Yet now you are saying modelers are pilots. I understand that the investigation may not state that the modeler was a pilot, but we are not the investigators or laypersons here. The fact that you felt the need to correct the others shows you do have feelings on the subject. Is it only OK to call us pilots as long as full scale is not in the conversation? It would be helpful to know the rules so as not to keep making the same mistakes.