I don't have my 1st trainer, a Goldberg Eaglet it was doing loops as it flew away in 1984. Since then I have had a trainer, I had a Goldberg Eagle2 from 1986 til 2008, it had been recovered 3 times and met it end in a trainer race wind was blowing hard and banking around a pylon a little too low and caught a wingtip. I've always kept one to take up someone interested in rc flying and for the club pylon races.