Ok guys I ve read all the post on this some I understand others not so much. I ve been flying R/C 20 plus years mostly sport planes some scale planes but never a jet or pusher type and I do have an indoor type heli which is a blast to fly as long as you keep it away from the ceiling fan....lol. I have flown in all types of wind over the years and do believe there is a definite difference when you turn downwind but also I ve learned it depends on the airfoil of the wing you are flying . Alot of people kept reffering to trainers and their flat bottom wings usually in a loop condition but how about pointing it into a headwind cutting the throttle and just "hovering " in front of you. Another point no one brings up is the prop wash over the control surfaces, the thread started out talking about the crash of a jet which I watched the video of and believed he stalled unfortunatley. Does not having any prop blast in a downwind turn come into play ? Any time I was doing a downwind turn I would just cut the throttle keep a little more altitude and make a larger than usual turn keeping the wing level and use rudder then start adding throttle keeping a good eye on altitude and work my way back to the runway, Hell its fun playing around with the headwind imo. Like I stated i ve never flown a jet but do think airfoil and having the thrust from the rear play a big part in this case. Let me know if Im off on this one, always wanting to learn more about things like this