Well I desided not to get the 250. I went with and bought two VH 450 metal ver kits. And a Alpha 400 3500kv motor from hobbypartz.com and a Detrum GY48V headklock gyro, and a 3s 11.1v 1800mah lipo. these will due till i can do better. I hope. I have servos, and rx so this will get me strated, i still need a pitch gauge, but am broke for a while now, andone know of how i can make a pitch gauge till i can afford one?