Well fellas tip stalling is not the current problem, when the plane balloons it is still move fast enough not to tip stall. I'll go over the whole thing with a incidence meter and recheck to see if something is amiss. I was hoping for an easy answer, I'll try the spoiler-ailiron approach and see what happens. Can any one tell me how to check the wing to stab proportions to see if this is correct?

Thanks Kent