Thanks for the inputs. sounds like the saito 100 will do it or the ys 91. Best I can tell is a good 3D plane needs torque to pull vertical and "reset" in the hover when you start to roll/fall out. I'm new at this 3D stuff. Are these large 4 strokes tempermental?
The TT pro46 and 36 I use now have got me spoiled I guess because they run perfect everytime. Thanks for the help.