MJ, let me take this a step further. I agree with you and how you feel about the coming 2M Vanquish. I know for a fact there are a large number of "young" pattern flyers out there just waiting for the arrival of this plane. I am counting on Archie to come up with hopefully the best "building thread" any of us have ever seen here in the pattern section of RCU. So many are going to rely on his thread for accurate information. If handled correctly, the 2M Vanquish could truly be the turning point for many future pattern competitors and our sport in general. I know Archie will do his best. Two years ago I got to see Cameron Smith's 2M Vanquish at the contest in Huntsville, Alabama. I was told it was the prototype but, the latest pictures look like the same design, etc. And yes, it flew extremely well aided by Cameron's natural ability. Let's all hope there will be little if any quality control issues associated with it's production. I wish you these best! Regards, Everette