Thomas-Ralph, if you're serious about wanting a lot of replies, ( you asked folks in another thread to come comment here) you'd better be ready for a lot more comments Like Gray Beard's. I'll let you know right now that none of these guys are trying to put you down or hurt your feelings in any way, but we've all seen this very situation repeatedly. I agree fully with Gray Beard. If you try to fly either of these planes, especially by yourself, there can only be one outcome. You will crash and destroy them. Please, get a trainer type plane, find a local club and let them give you some flight instruction. You have two very nice airplanes there. I would hate to see them ruined because of a little lack of patience.