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Old 05-29-2011 | 04:33 PM
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Default RE: flight simulators

ORIGINAL: IFlyEm35

If you think Realflight feels more ''real'' than you would be in the minority.
Quite the opposite is true. Go over to Giant Scale.com forums and post your assertion, then prepare to be keel-hauled.

Non subjectively I can for instance reproduce second and third order effects, responses and quirks ( if you've done any simulations modeling/programming you know what this is about ... ) in RF which AFDP cannot begin to produce... AF 5.5 finally starts getting some of this stuff right... but still it's to a lesser degree.


ORIGINAL: IFlyEm35
The giant scale airplanes on RF are pigs and unrealistic. You don't have to go any further than doing knifeedge with the Yak to see it flies like an arcade game.
Which YAK? Some model gyros on the control surfaces, so if you've played with them you may find they deviate from your real world experience.

However let's talk about 3D stall behaviour for instance.... in AFDP there is no modeling of the post stall lever moments of individual plane components, nor multiple attitude-lift curves on the same model....

e.g. A thick wing C.G. Neutral 3D profile has a tendancy to balloon up as the airflow separates from the rear of airfoil in high alpha, but the wing still retains a high lift component from the non-delaminar airflow at the front...

Take a thick winged profile in RF, neutralize the C.G. and try a slow approach... you'll see this behaviour.
It will baloon up just before stall.

Try this in AFDP sometime... it just doesn't happen in that sim... the model merely drops no matter how you tweak the plane.

Not "feel" just facts.

There are dozens of things like this that AFDP doesn't do.... even 5.5 doesn't get this right.


ORIGINAL: IFlyEm35
AF has a much better feel, especially doing 3d.
"Feel" is subjective... and often clouded by personal attachments to one's own purchase.

I've put each sim through the wringer in trying to get planes in the sim to behave exactly like their real world counterparts, for those I own.

A laptop running both sims out at the field along with the same models in the sims really tells all.... particularly if you apply the FAI "trimming" guides to the planes in the sims and compare that to real life.

Been there, done that. You should try it sometime.

ORIGINAL: IFlyEm35
And yes I own them all except the latest RF.
At first you said "I've flown all the sims" instead, interesting.

ORIGINAL: IFlyEm35

In my opinion RF wouldn't be as popular if it wasn't mainstreamed by Tower.
Ah so if it is more widespread, it couldn't POSSIBLY be that it's more highly regarded. It - MUST - be a conspiracy right?

That must be why RF is used in Training Videos, Magazine instructional articles, RC schools, etc... just a mainstreaming...

Tower sells both too.

ORIGINAL: IFlyEm35
Its no different than people that argue that Bose make the best speakers. It's all from a marketing perspective.
That may be how you are percieving it, I go by analytical testing instead.

AF 5.5 finally fixed many of the flight model flaws, but some remain.

That said, it's 3D airfields are wonderful and IMHO better than RF, but there are so few of them provided.

ORIGINAL: IFlyEm35

One thing I missed to point out. I am speaking from an airplane perspective. RF may indeed be better with helis.
I speak of both.