I have both the Ember 2 and the Night Vapor (both the Vapor and Night Vapor fly the same). If given the choice between the Ember 2 and the Vapor, I will always recommend the Ember 2 as a micro trainer. In my opinion it has less drag and just flies better. The Vapor can handle 1 mph winds while the Ember 2 will handle 3-4 mph winds (remember your talking 1 ounce planes). I can trim the Ember 2 to fly using only rudder, not touching the throttle or elevator until I'm ready to land - can't do that with the Vapor. A big key to success with the Ember 2 is to use a radio with dual rates and fly on low rate set at 30% - 40% of the recommended control throws. I routinely fly mine indoors using only rudder trim to make my turns, and rudder trim to roll out of the turn and never touch the elevator trim or the sticks.

Last fall we had an indoor climb-glide contest at Hartman Arena here in Wichita I was able to attain a best pure glide (from the time of switching the power off) of 31 seconds before it touched down (I was beat out by a modified Vapor that flew in the 40 second range - there's an article on this plane in the June 2011 issue of Flying Models, and the closest Ember 2 to me was at 25 seconds) and it by far beat out all the stock Vapors that attained around 20 seconds.

On hot days the Ember 2 will also ride thermals quite nicely - I've done several 25 minute flights with only a minute of powered flight to get into the thermals. I limit my time due to the small battery aboard. Needless to say my Ember 2 probably has close to 200 flights on it while my Vapor may have around 50.

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