Well I never fly my airplanes with gyro aids and I can tell you they all fly rock solid. I understand the use of extra stabilization methods by some fellow modellers - most of them rookies- but still it all have to do with piloting skills or poor aircraft designs. The buffeting that you are mentioning is happening either from poor aerodynamics, or exceeding flying speeds, or even from windy (gusty) weather. My choice is to fly my own planes on my own. If I leave the pleasure of using the master 4 controls of my models to some dumb electronic stabilators then it will come the time to leave the hobby and start R/C "Gyrolling" - building UAV's that will fly themselves 100% and I will have the time to watch them fly , who knows maybe filming them while they 'll fly...I'll have plenty of time to do that since I will practicaly won't fly them!!!
I am sorry but your comments demonstrate a total ignorance of:
1) the function of a correctly setup gyro
2) basic human physiology with regard to reaction times
3) current trends in jet modelling. Visit the Jet World Masters and look at the many jet modellers around the world using them. Most rookies are not looking to fit gyros to their jets immediately as they want to keep things simple and just learn the basics. In contrast, many of the top jet pilots around the world have been using them for ages. I would love to see you tell guys like Ali Machinchy and Thomas Gleissner that their piloting skills are problematic because they use gyros on their jets, while you are obviously much more capable because you don't use one
. These guys use them because they understand the benefits of a gyro. The gyro does not fly the plane for you.
The point is that the gyro is used by these guys to smooth out the flight characteristics thus creating a more scale appearance to the flight because they are after near perfect performance from their models. They are often fitted to scale jets (poor aerodynamic design??, I don't think so) to enhance the scale effect.
And as for the adverse yaw argument, a properly setup gyro will not command deflections large enough to create this problem. The whole idea of a gyro is that it commands a small ( I am talking nothing more than a few mm) but rapid corrective control input in a time frame that a human being is
incapable of. The fact of the matter is that no human being can do the same thing as a gyro. If you believe you can, then you do not understand how the gyro is functioning and the limitations of human physiology and you are simply kidding yourself.
How many gyros have you used on a jet? Which models do you fly? Let's see some pictures of your setups. I do not wish to criticise anyone's choice as to whether they use a gyro or not, but bagging the concept based on seriously flawed logic combined with a lack of experience doesn't hold a lot of weight.
Some of my models have them fitted (eg F16's, panther, F15, F18F) whilst others do not, mainly because I have not got around to doing them yet! [8D] On my Flash, I have one fitted but do not use it often as most of the time the model is very stable. I do fly that model in unfavourable wind conditions though so it is there if I want it.
On another point, those advocating that you kick in a boot load of rudder to correct an impending stall.....nice idea in theory, but you cannot always apply full scale principles to models. The rudders on our jets are not very effective at low airspeeds that would be generating the stall that you are trying to get out of. Ask Phillip Avonds about his thoughts on this. But then again, what would he know, he has only been building jet kits and competing at the Jet World Masters for many years, not to mention his full size experience flying F16's.......
The author of this thread was asking which gyro to use in his jet, not a lecture implying that his piloting skills are lousy because he is choosing to use one. Let's keep this thread reserved for discussions about gyro choice and setup, as was intended.