Hey Ron, I can remember it looking just breathtaking, but I sure cannot vouch for my memory on how far each forward roll goes, and how far each ratchet backwards goes. The real expert just has not seen this thread yet. I haven't even tried to do one yet, but I will. Gotta believe it takes a long time and a lot of airspace, hopefully in about the same time and distance as a slow roll. I have not done one yet because it has taken me all my life to get as average as I am, lol. I have just recently got underway on 8pt rolls and am getting better but not good at the rolling circle. BTW, I don't compete...I just like to fly the plane more than it flies me. Jon