I agree with John Redman regarding the old fashioned rules. The world has moved on from the world of "Expert", "Designer", scale contest. I have actually been politicing for a more run what you brung approach. Conest, whether scale, pylon, whatever, are always going to involve driven people. As such, there is always going to be the odd bad apple with the win at any cost attitude. I say, bring em onn. Do your best, compete, have fun, and get better. Yes, I am a highly competitive person and try verrry hard at anything I do, but, this is a hobby and supposed to be fun. People who feel the need to cheet to win should be pittied rather than scorned, this disease must extend to all aspects of their lives. Now a more productive thread would be one which builds on John's idea about out of date rules and what would it take to get folks out participating. I personally don't care who built what, I want to beat em all:-) BTW, Let the ARF's play with us. They still have to beat you.

DJ