hi david. I will keep you posted on progress. Everything that you suggested is what i was thinkin anyways. So i'm gonna proceed with taht. Thanks for the lead's on the retracts thee-filtes look a little pricey and the hobby king ones i don't know about but for 12 bucks i just might have to try them. I actually made the plane a little bigger overall and scaled the .60 down to 67% so that is the size i'm building at. Everything measures out to conventiaal dimensions 13/4 whels 1 1/2 spinner etc. So i think that may help the wing loading just a shade. We'll see but with the way the vortex turned out i'm pretty sure i can this one light enough too. Anyways more tommorrow just got the stab halves joined and waitin for them to dry. Phil