Bryan,
thanks for your comments and suggestions. I'll have to weigh my options.
I probably should have clarified in my previous post what paint I have been using. I used
no Lustrekote paint or clear coat on any aspect of the finish of this model. I'll comment in line below to respond to some of your suggestions.
ORIGINAL: Roguedog
David,
Bummer!
After reading your latest post I did a little investigating on what is called Epoxy Appliance Paint. Before I get to that I need to mention that in my previous post I wrongly listed Krylon as the product i used. The product I used was the Rustoleum brand of Epoxy Appliance paint. Both are Enamels but the Rustoleum brand takes way longer to dry and is where I got the info I quoted in my previous post. I forgot that if you want a rattle can paint that drys fast you need to use the Krylon brand.
Yup, I can see this being the case - Rustoleum paints seem to be, in general, much heavier in "oil" content compared to Krylon. The following are the appliance epoxy's that I was able to locate from Rustoleum and Krylon:
http://www.rustoleum.com/CBGProduct.asp?pid=101
http://krylon.com/products/appliance_epoxy_paints
http://krylon.com/ca/eng/products/ap..._epoxy_paints/
The last two are no doubt the same product just labeled differently depending on the market (in Canada products need to be bilingual). The white epoxy I used is that shown in the last link although the label on my cans is an older version. However, they all appear to have medium dry times of hours not days.
ORIGINAL: Roguedog
I went to both websites and it turns out both company's are using the the term ''Epoxy'' very loosely. Both products are in fact a type of Enamel Paint and not really Epoxy based at all as far as a thermosetting polymer. Normally, an epoxy paint is composed of two parts, a resin and a hardener. Not so with these so called Epoxy Appliance paints currently being marketed by both company's
I agree, they are not true 2 part epoxy paints such as Klass Kote and the like. They are however
one stage epoxy resin based paints meaning that they contain epoxy resins in them. This can be "felt" when shooting and give the paint a smooth silky, almost
elastic, feel to the touch once wet sanded. These paints contain clear coats within the can as well so this must be sanded off first if one desires to re-coat or shoot other paints over top (which is what I did).
ORIGINAL: Roguedog
Since these Epoxy paints are really enamels I think this may be the cause of the discoloration you experienced.
The change in colour of the base white is more of a
tinting effect than a
discoloration effect. At first I thought the issue might have been due to mixing different types of paint but I was careful to get the order and type right to avoid chemical incompatibilities - every step of the way was tested. After a little further reflection this morning, I'm sure it is not an appliance epoxy issue alone as the tinting is happening to
all the paint - lacquer, epoxy, enamel and, yes,... Monokote too! The clear coat gave the same tinting effect over top white MK! In short, the CC used IS NOT crystal clear as it's supposed to be.
ORIGINAL: Roguedog
According to the link page above to the LustreKoat Clear page, Tower hobbies tech notes is claiming that LustreKote is an Acrylic Lacquer Paint not an Acrylic Enamel. If that's the case then here's what probably caused the discoloration. I believe lacquers over enamels are not compatiable thereby casuing the discoloration.
Using the chart the Paul posted in post 21, and using C = compatible and N for not compatible than according to the chart it shows N as far as using lacquer over enamel.
Yup, I was aware that Lustrekote was acrylic lacquer but as mentioned above, I used no LK on this project. I did however use automotive Dupli-Color acrylic lacquer but this was for the trim colors. I wanted to test how the lacquer held up when shot directly over top both acrylic enamel (I was using a red enamel paint) as well as epoxy enamel (the appliance white). As it turns out, the lacquer does craze when shot directly over wet sanded acrylic enamel, as expected, but it doesn't over the epoxy enamel base white! But I didn't need to shoot lacquer over the red, I just wanted to see how it behaved. That was important to know as otherwise the trim color might have ended up being a mess. In any case, I shot all color trim with a base of primer underneath so all color pigment coats (white, red, blue and grey) are separated by layers of primer. In brief, the paint job turned out without issue and flattened very nicely while holding on well to the substrates. The paint job was
great until the clear coat went on!
ORIGINAL: Roguedog
Did the other colors change hue? If not, this could be a solution as you could sand off the clear as best you can then recoat the white and touchup the other colors. PITA, I know but I have a feeling your not going to be satisfied unless it's right. Which probably means sanding off all the white and starting over. Bigger PITA.
PITA is right - massive one too! The colors did change hue as mentioned in my post above but there is no issue with that as the end result is just one of
deeper/richer colors - there was no attempt to color match MK to paint, I knew it wouldn't work so I painted all color I wante to match including the colors over top MK on the wings and stabs. The one thing I couldn't handle that way was the base white coat. The fuse had to be paint and the wings/stabs, well, didn't have to be MK but the idea was to cover them for lightness. The appliance white was a
pretty good match (as you'll come to see from photos I'll get to post at some point) to MK Jet White which is the reason I chose to use it. I expected the white to be slightly affected by a subsequent clear coat but no more than how it is affected by the clear coat contained within the paint itself.
The problem is squarely with the tinting of the automotive DC acrylic enamel top clear coat which is not water clear as it is supposed to be but rather yellows with time. It goes on clear, stays clear for a while and then begins to yellow as the hours and days go by. It could be that I just got a bad/old batch of CC... [:'(]
ORIGINAL: Roguedog
Not that you would want too, but does Monokote have a matching creme color for the wings?
Bryan
You know how that goes, takes a problem and likely makes it worse. There is cream MK but it wouldn't match the tinted white either... and I'd have to rip my perfectly good covered and painted wing and stab to recover with cream MK... as you say, not that I'd want to.
I think my only tangible option to recover the base white at this point is to sand the clear coat off - probably everywhere and see where it leaves the white hue. Hopefully, no touch up paint would be needed (although unlikely) and I could re-shoot with a proper, non tinting, clear coat - probably 2 stage urethane clear. If the CC did affect the white irreversibly, I'd have to sand further to expose primer layers in the white masked area and re-shoot the white...[:@] Of course, it doesn't help that I have color striping in the white base layer as well.
A good lesson was learned though, on the next project I'll stick to
single system paint!

I'm curious to find out how much better DC acrylic lacquer clear coat is compared to acrylic enamel CC (it costs over twice as much). If lacquer is used throughout on the project, there will be no compatibility issues in using a lacquer top CC. Of course, nothing says so far that it doesn't have that same tinting effect, after a few days. Or, I might just go to a compressor and Klass Kote or stick to expensive 2 stage urethane CC.
If anyone has any other good ideas or suggestions, please being em on!
David.