thanks for the feedback guys. I would love to build. I am a fabricator for a company that builds full scale aerobatic airplanes and am sure I could build a top notch piece. The problem is the time. My 72" Extra flys well but from a disipline standpoint I need something that doesnt have big flippers to avoid cutting up. I think I have found a solution. The Hyperion Helios 90e. not quite a 2M at 68" but all the guts minus the servos from my 72 can be used in it. even my 3 8s packs. only fly in the ointment is they are currently out of stock so keeping my fingers crossed they will be available soon. thanks again for your input.

P.S. nice bird and bike Dread I have a Catrike 700recumbant 3 wheeler. very sleek and fast (700mm rear tire) I love it. I have hooked the baby trailer up to it. threw a plane in it and pedal way out on the bike trail and burn a few packs. absolute Heaven. check out my Myspace page for our common interest in CAD