Very true. It's amazing how many just take the trimming process to a certain point then quit. I see airplanes getting blamed for things that can be easily trimmed out. Pattern guys do a great job overall in the trimming department. I have seen guys show up at an IMAC contest and attempt to fly sportsman with what looks like 3D rates LOL. The best guys are the ones that get their airplanes flying well and then practice alot. I have said hundreds of times that I have no natural ability for R/C I just set goals and work until I reach that goal and then set another.