Matt, I 100% agree and will go on the record as saying that at any pattern or IMAC contest the top guys are not stalling in snaps or spin entries. I once described how I did spin entries with my 40% Extra online and was heavily flogged. What I stated was that I would slow the airplane that just before it would go into mush mode, I would let off the elevator and this would drop the nose but before the airplane would start flying again I would hit full rudder the direction I wanted it to break. Then I would come in with elevator and aileron. To the judges it looked as if the airplane had stalled. Back to snaps, if we actually stalled the airplane through the snap, it would go very deep into the snap and be very inconsistant. What I tended to do was demonstrate pitch deviation of about 10-15 degrees then come in with aileron and rudder. By about 1/2 rotation into the snap I would be completely off the elevator. I still feel that the snaps I did at the pattern contest fit the criteria but as I have told others, we are putting on a show for the judges. We need to figure out what they want and give it to them. Sometimes that may involve a little smoke and mirrors. In the end it dosent matter what we do with the sticks, as long as the judges see the airplane doing what they preceive to be the correct thing.