Hi Ryan, It's OK, I don't mind you "picking on my age a little bit". Your story about the A&P instructor and his student reminded me of a similiar situation I experienced as the Charge RN in a Lock- Down Unit for the criminally insane a few years ago prior to my retirement. I had a young male patient that thought he was going to "run the show" and found out the hard way that some us senior citizen types were more than willing to take violence to the next level!___Everette