Yes I forgot to mention you have to cross the aileron stick over Until they are both in the same top corner if you push the sticks to the center. When inverted your rudder is reversed, like has been said. I just forgot to mention it. There are many ways to get into the flat spin it just seemed mine liked to climb if I entered that way? Sure is fun, when your buddies go "how in the H_ll are you doing that?" Have fun, Balsageek is prolly about right. If you can bring the nose up out of a harrier then you prolly have enough motor to climb in the flat spin. Has anyone got a plane to climb while upright? Is that possible?