Flew the Menace again last night... Man this thing rocks!! When I turned flaperon's on... I could get it to do this really tight 3' loop... it would do them forever with out loosing altitude... Flat spins are awesome... and it hovers really easy.... I like this thing soooo much better that the StickIt I had. Can't wait to explore the flight envelope of this aircraft. I might built one for a buddy.