Thanks again john I will look into the rouge eagles I've heard of the guys but never payed much attention cause from what I understand about them they don't take kindly to heli flyers at their club so i was never intrested. Im still wondering what would be a good style of plane to start looking towards. I'm not one to just buy the first thing I see. I want to shop around and see whats out there, what will suitme the best at the moment. is there a specific brand i should pay attention to or stay away from? Just looking for ideas.