First to mike109 I apologize for the minor hijack of your thread. I promise any further posts will be on topic and will only expand on details of how I teach. An on that topic, the introduction to my training course for the TORKS in OKC was published as a lead article in the AMA Safety column several years ago. I did not submit it. Someone else thought it was so valuable that it was published nationally.

And to Mr. Cain, now you add further insult to injury.

Instead of asking, even off line, for a clarification of what I teach and how I teach YOU some how made a quantum leap of illogic from my original post and to my follow-up post again accusing me in front of this whole forum, of being an incompetent idiot teaching more incompetent dangerous idiot airplane drivers.

You choose to take your personal experience and somehow transfer the failure of someone else, again not ever having met me, or my students or even owe me the courtesy of asking what exactly do I teach.

Yet in spite of my pathetic, unsafe methods my students can, before they are turned loose to terrify society;

Take off and perform greaser landings (not near crash arrivals) on the CENTERLINE of a 32x250 foot runway. They can do that in either direction and with a 90 degree crosswind from either direction. And in winds up to 16 knots. This is after all Oklahoma, you wait for a calm day and you’ll never fly!

The can and do consecutive loops, consecutive rolls; identify an aerodynamic stall and enter and recover from a spin (if their plane will actually spin)

They do all this by staying east of an AMA standard zero line that is 50 feet from the pits and the spectators, and while staying north and clear of one of the busiest jogging trails in Oklahoma City.

They learn to start and set their engines in secure stands and they shut down the engine before taxing into the pits.

Just because I don’t boar them to death with hours of aerodynamic theory doesn’t mean they don’t GET the essentials of why a plane behaves that way.

I’ll put the safe flying skills and safety record of my club up against ANYONE in District 8 and I’ll bet we have a better track record.

Again I am insulted that you allow your own prejudice to color (quite wrongly and repeatedly) what I have stated above.