ok this is what i have desided. im probably going with a carf as long as i get the deal i want or a spark new or used. the vanquish will be 3rd pick if i cant find a good used spark evo.  i think this will be the way to go. thanks for all the help desiding. the the nuance is very nice and so is the toxiris they would be in the running as well.  the cr set up has a cool factor but the advantages arn't really big enough to go with .  thaks