Hi Riley, I'm trying to look past the fact that you are new to pattern and have very little in depth knowledge to support your argument. It might be prudent on your part to step back and look at the "big picture" before you take Tony to task. I've known Tony for more than 20 years and can assure you he has always been the "rudder" time after time in an effort to keep pattern honest!IMHO, Tony and Steve pretty much summed it up. You don't know just how much opposition there is to this behind the scenes and are very likely to see some real pressure applied to the AMA Aerobatic Board members in the very near future. Like Tony and Steve, some of us did not fall off the pumpkin wagon yesterday! Just thought you might like to know, Everette