That would be up to the purchaser Gary. I think you have to tell them what is acceptable, especially for $2000+ for a 2M air frame.<div></div><div>Arch,</div><div>Only that second De Ja Vu was finished. My original one (the one you saw me with at the Nats) was ordered through Chip and Marcelo. It flies at 4850g with the difference being the 2nd has painted wings and stabs (100g ?). I do 100% agree with you. I dealt primarily with Chip and he did right by me. Todd Blose finished it for me but used "normal" equipment and nothing crazy. I guess the answer to your question is when those that do receive overweight air frames have manufacturers that actually listen and not say "too bad". There are some great companies out there for sure but I'm sure we've all heard the other horror stories. This, however, does not help the existing air frames that are out there and cannot compete.</div>