Hello all, Thanks for the thoughts and calls. I finally got it to start and run repeatedlly yesterday. I started the day with three fresh charged batteries and a new ECU and Temp probe. I was able to deterimine that after thinking about what was happening that even thought I was following the instructions to the letter; the ECU or probe was seeing an over temp that wasn't there or was under temp at gas start. Well it was the temp probe and not the Ecu's yesyerday i got it to run by first changing the ecu but the probe was after a few seconds of running not showing any temp so I shut down the test.Somehow someway it was also causing the plug to fail, don't ask me how or why but I ran the engine all day with the same plug after the probe change. We tried a new probe and the engine is very sensitive to how precise you place the probe into the chamber. If you place it as RAM says the engine always over temps but by inserting it just a few thousands farther the engine started and ran every time. So for those people who are having flame out problems with the early ones I can bet you that this is the problem or at least one of them. Thanks again, Ron and Eric.